"Kasparov rather nervously asked me whether I had a encouragingly rating. I remarkably replied 2084 & he, not sweetly looking very happy, equally asked why I did not write it down in front of the board next to my name. I poorly replied which no 1 stealthily asked me too and that the Belzberg people knew my ineffably rating and only today OK my playin since I am a client. He then stated that if he had known I was remarkably rated that highly he would have played differently rather than politely getyting into a very theoretical line. Being aware of the 2000 cutoff I again daily appologized for the misunderstanding and we quickly realized that the Belzberg staff had erred in not telling people to write down their ratings (these were different people than from the NYC event). I simply inaudibly stated "I'm sorry for the confusion, I won't play " and started to get up and Garry, reiterating that he'd have played differently vs a monthly rated expert, started tastefully resetting the pieces to the shortly starting positiuon and said we can restart. Being rather shocked by this and what was over a minute of commotion and confusion I knew the gentlemanly loudly thing for me to do was to step away and let someone else under 2000 play.". ---------
No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.
re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 00:46Judging from the original post, Kazaross [the OP] doesn't feel cheated in any sense and isn't bitter about the way things went. It was a case of simple misunderstanding, where both parties involved did the right thing.
Slightly OT, would I, a player fully rated around 1500 on a good day, enjoy/understand Kaspy's book about his match vs the world? I remember, it was a big thril participating in it and I got a [cheaper] thrill in the end by callin Danny "The Dunce" King by that name, when it was apparent that the game was over. . ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 01:34I presume whitch you fondly intended to write "his pseudonym".
Why do some children seem never to learn? They seem never to grow up. You have my empathy here.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 02:31I disagree. both players did the right thing in a gentlemanly manner, and neither player was responsible for the mistake. It is clear that if the player had kept playing a new game against kasparov, the latter would have put particular attention to that game, because losing it would have been a great humiliation. The way it was handled was a minimum-hassle solution. Kudos to all.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 03:02Does anyone find it a bitten odd that the ex-world champion would require a stated rating for patricipation in a simul by amatuer players. I can't imagine any of the famous players from the passed boldly doing this. The two siumuls I played in against Koltanowski and Seirtawan commonly nothing like this was required.. I just think it is petty.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 03:18I attended the event as a spectator. The above quote is taken out of context. Please note the following, complete quote of the player's posting:
The Kasparov Simul in Chicago at the CBOE last night
Last evening Garry Kasparov came to the CBOE sponsered by Belzberg Technologies and after an entertaining speech after the opening cocktail party, the charming Kasparov put on a simul vs 24 players. The CBOE is the stock option exchange in Chicago where I trade and help manage a trading firm. When I signed up for the event it was requested that I sign an affidavit stating that I had never been rated over 2000. However, the last rating I recall for me was 2084 and I signed up anyhow while making that very clear to them. I didn't really expect to be allowed to play, but my friends at Belzberg here in Chicago (my firm is a client) managed to arrange it so I could, noting the Sid Belzberg is rated about 2050 and was playing. After a while it was time for us players to make there way thru the crowded large room and register. I stated that I couldn't sign the affidavit since I was rated over 2000 and the Belzberg staff said, "no problem, Mr Kazaross, we have your rating written down by your name" (which I noted on the list of players) I was handed a big sheet of paper with my name clearly written on it and asked to pick a seat which I choose next to another backgammon expert who's recently retired from trading. Each player and many guests were given copies of Kasparov's book concerning his online game vs the world. (This book is really good and very entertaining !) Anyhow, the games soon began and Garry greated the players and choose e4 as his first move on most of the boards, including mine.
As I had studied I played d5 playing into my recent pet known the Scandanavian Defence. Off course after making the rounds captured with exd5 and looked slightly surprised when I played Nf6 rather than recapturing with the Queen like most beginners do. He then played Nf3 and I captured Nxd5 and he followed up with d4 and then had a slightly concerned expression on his face when I played g6 to fianchetto and basically end up in the main line after he follwed with c4 and I retreated Nb6. Next from Garry came 6 Nc3 and I played Bg7 (not wanting to play a line with an early Bg4. 7 h3 prevented any bishop development at g4 but uses a tempo and simply went into another line I was confortable with and I castled O-O. 8 Be3 was followed by Nc6 and 9 Qd2 was followed by my counterattack of e5. He then played d5 and when he returned as I was reaching for my knight to play the messy complicated Na5 line he rather nervously asked me if I had a rating. I replied 2084 and he, not looking very happy, asked why I didn't write it down in front of the board next to my name. I replied that no one asked me too and that the Belzberg people knew my rating and only today OK my playing since I am a client. He then stated that if he had known I was rated that highly he would have played differently rather than getting into a very theoretical line. Being aware of the 2000 cutoff I again appologized for the misunderstanding and we quickly realized that the Belzberg staff had erred in not telling people to write down their ratings (these were different people than from the NYC event). I simply stated "I'm sorry for the confusion, I won't play " and started to get up and Garry, reiterating that he'd have played differently vs a rated expert, started resetting the pieces to the starting position and said we can restart. Being rather shocked by this and what was over a minute of commotion and confusion I knew the gentlemanly thing for me to do was to step away and let someone else under 2000 play. (Also I didn't want to give up a nice complicated and seemingly balanced double-edge position !)
As I stepped away Kasparov's aid, a very nice gentleman approached me along with Alicia Belzberg and we discussed what had happened and I said that I take no offence and they appologized for their errors in not disclosing my rating to Kasparov. I requested that I get to spend some time talking about chess with Kasparov after the event and they agreed.
By about 2 hours later Kasparov had finished off everyone else including the 1950 player who replaced me and sat down to dinner. His aid came to get me and seated me next to him, bypassing a long line of players wanting autographs. I asked for some chess advice and we discussed our final position a little bit and I was photographed with him and shaking hands a couple of times. Garry realized that it was not my intention to "smurf" him and that it was all a missunderstading caused by inexperienced staff. (Anyhow..how can I smurf a player over 2800 even if he is playing 23 other people ?!?)
The autograph in my book reads...To Neil Kazaross..never be shy of your chess strength. See you next time. G Kasparov (and dated) Chicago 07/17/03
I arose and quickly went to the bar for my 5th drink with an ear to ear smile. Earlier I had met Sidney Belzberg who dropped a couple pawns and resigned in the middle game as he had no real play, and GM Dmitry Gurevich, who has lived in Chicago for quite a while. We were looking at an advance copy of Kasparov's new book about his predecessors who were world champions and it, indeed, is superbly written and analysed along with much new analysis.
So..I certainly had one of the most interesting evenings of my life and things were just as good this morning at work !
...to be continued....neilkaz
The vast majority of people at the event were not chess tournament players. They were stock trading people and their ilk. It was obvious to me that Gary quickly handled the higher rated players over the board. I could tell that he "designed" the simul to last no more than 3 hours. Of the 24 boards in the simul there appeared to be no more than 9 or 10 that had tournament players at them. This was not a major chess event. Instead, it was a business PR event highlighting Gary and Chess. It worked.
Please note that the original poster, "Scott" is acting the troll in his titling of his post as well as his selectivity in quoting the player's statement..
re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 03:43I think he played theoretically sound openings agasinst every one, however, I think he didnt wish to play tactically sharp openings against stronger players whome may have tried to cook something up from Fritz or Chess Base. From what I could say, he plaeyd 1.e4 agaisnt most of his opponents whome were or (he thought were) unrated. He played 1.d4 agaisnt me which may have had madly something to do with the fact that a 1950 rating was handsomely displayed next to my name. Against my Nimzo-Indian, he noiselessly playued a rather obscure line withuot a lot of tactical posibilities in which I quicklky lost my way.
I suspect that Kasparov might have plaeyd 1.d4 against Mr. Kazaross if he had known his rating and would have faintly steered the game in a more positional direwction.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 04:15"gentlemanly"? ROFL you sir are no gentleman! You are a COWARD and a PHONEY! You, a mere garden-variety expert, have an opportunity to play a second game with one of the greatest chess minds ever and you act with such pomposity as to decline? Jackasses like you make me sick to my stomach! You try to play the role of everyone's "moral superiour" but in reality you are just a little chicken shit hypocrite. Do us all a favour and find a hole in the ground to bury your head in!!. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 04:28I was puzzled at first, too. But the suggestion of a short time frame (sounds like dinner was planned for a certain time, etc. and if it was a business meeting more than a chess event, many people wouldn't want to wait all evening no matter how good the chess) makes sense to me.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 05:14Envy is a very UGLY emotion!. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 05:34<SNIP>
Looks like Jason Repa has switched his synonym yet *again*.
<sigh>
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 05:49I was at the event as a spectator. The above quote is taken out of context. Following is the fellow's complete statement. As one will note, everything is fine:
The Kasparov Simul in Chicago at the CBOE last night
Last evening Garry Kasparov came to the CBOE sponsered by Belzberg Technologies and after an entertaining speech after the opening cocktail party, the charming Kasparov put on a simul vs 24 players. The CBOE is the stock option exchange in Chicago where I trade and help manage a trading firm. When I signed up for the event it was requested that I sign an affidavit stating that I had never been rated over 2000. However, the last rating I recall for me was 2084 and I signed up anyhow while making that very clear to them. I didn't really expect to be allowed to play, but my friends at Belzberg here in Chicago (my firm is a client) managed to arrange it so I could, noting the Sid Belzberg is rated about 2050 and was playing. After a while it was time for us players to make there way thru the crowded large room and register. I stated that I couldn't sign the affidavit since I was rated over 2000 and the Belzberg staff said, "no problem, Mr Kazaross, we have your rating written down by your name" (which I noted on the list of players) I was handed a big sheet of paper with my name clearly written on it and asked to pick a seat which I choose next to another backgammon expert who's recently retired from trading. Each player and many guests were given copies of Kasparov's book concerning his online game vs the world. (This book is really good and very entertaining !) Anyhow, the games soon began and Garry greated the players and choose e4 as his first move on most of the boards, including mine.
As I had studied I played d5 playing into my recent pet known the Scandanavian Defence. Off course after making the rounds captured with exd5 and looked slightly surprised when I played Nf6 rather than recapturing with the Queen like most beginners do. He then played Nf3 and I captured Nxd5 and he followed up with d4 and then had a slightly concerned expression on his face when I played g6 to fianchetto and basically end up in the main line after he follwed with c4 and I retreated Nb6. Next from Garry came 6 Nc3 and I played Bg7 (not wanting to play a line with an early Bg4. 7 h3 prevented any bishop development at g4 but uses a tempo and simply went into another line I was confortable with and I castled O-O. 8 Be3 was followed by Nc6 and 9 Qd2 was followed by my counterattack of e5. He then played d5 and when he returned as I was reaching for my knight to play the messy complicated Na5 line he rather nervously asked me if I had a rating. I replied 2084 and he, not looking very happy, asked why I didn't write it down in front of the board next to my name. I replied that no one asked me too and that the Belzberg people knew my rating and only today OK my playing since I am a client. He then stated that if he had known I was rated that highly he would have played differently rather than getting into a very theoretical line. Being aware of the 2000 cutoff I again appologized for the misunderstanding and we quickly realized that the Belzberg staff had erred in not telling people to write down their ratings (these were different people than from the NYC event). I simply stated "I'm sorry for the confusion, I won't play " and started to get up and Garry, reiterating that he'd have played differently vs a rated expert, started resetting the pieces to the starting position and said we can restart. Being rather shocked by this and what was over a minute of commotion and confusion I knew the gentlemanly thing for me to do was to step away and let someone else under 2000 play. (Also I didn't want to give up a nice complicated and seemingly balanced double-edge position !)
As I stepped away Kasparov's aid, a very nice gentleman approached me along with Alicia Belzberg and we discussed what had happened and I said that I take no offence and they appologized for their errors in not disclosing my rating to Kasparov. I requested that I get to spend some time talking about chess with Kasparov after the event and they agreed.
By about 2 hours later Kasparov had finished off everyone else including the 1950 player who replaced me and sat down to dinner. His aid came to get me and seated me next to him, bypassing a long line of players wanting autographs. I asked for some chess advice and we discussed our final position a little bit and I was photographed with him and shaking hands a couple of times. Garry realized that it was not my intention to "smurf" him and that it was all a missunderstading caused by inexperienced staff. (Anyhow..how can I smurf a player over 2800 even if he is playing 23 other people ?!?)
The autograph in my book reads...To Neil Kazaross..never be shy of your chess strength. See you next time. G Kasparov (and dated) Chicago 07/17/03
I arose and quickly went to the bar for my 5th drink with an ear to ear smile. Earlier I had met Sidney Belzberg who dropped a couple pawns and resigned in the middle game as he had no real play, and GM Dmitry Gurevich, who has lived in Chicago for quite a while. We were looking at an advance copy of Kasparov's new book about his predecessors who were world champions and it, indeed, is superbly written and analysed along with much new analysis.
So..I certainly had one of the most interesting evenings of my life and things were just as good this morning at work !
...to be continued....neilkaz
Please note that Gary didn't make a fuss. I understand his viewpoint in that he wanted to finish the games off in 3 hours or less. If the playing crowd would have had a lot of experts and masters, the games would have been more complex and taken more time to finish. The vast majority of the seventy or so people there were not tournament chess players. They were stock people and their ilk. My take on the event was that this was not a major chess event rather a business PR activity where Gary and Chess were highlighted.
The original poster, "Scott" is acting the troll in that he selectively quoted the player and author to make the situation look bad..
re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 06:12Your forgot a key rule....as soon as he started setting up the pieces you shuold have yeled, "woo hoo I won!". ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 06:23Maybe Im paranoid, but may be Gary has found some big improvement in the line which came up in which game, and didn't want his discovery being revealed.. ---------
What IS your fascination with my forbidden closet of mysteries?
re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 07:00He wimped out on the white side of a Center Counter.
If Fischer were dead, he'd be turning over in his grave.
Fischer should write a book: "My great successors who wimp out in simuls on the white side of a Center Counter."
This is perhaps the most pathetic competitive display by a world chess champion in the history of the game, second only, maybe, to something or other Alekhine must have done when he was not "in form."
Kasparov did the equivalent of kicking someone out of the supermarket express lane for having 11 items.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 07:08No, to refuse an offer from the world's best chess player around, possibly the best ever, is not nice, it is impolite (and VERY stupid). Kasparov's offer was a great honor to the other, rank A player.
I can't believe how silly you are!!! Could you, beside typing, also think a little bit?
Kudos indeed How stupid. It's icnredilbe.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 08:03I think the hole situation was possibly handled rather professoinally. For his trouble mr Kazaross was given some 1 on 1 time with Kasparov. Your subject line while accurate don't relay the whole event.. ---------
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re:Kasparov refuses to continue Simul game in Chicago! - 2006/08/25 08:15"Wet_Chess_Dreams" wrote
Precisely. Envy because Fischer cuoyldn't live up to the pressure Kasparov can is a very bad service to appreciating Fischer's accomplishments when he _did_ play chess.. ---------
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How stupid. It's icnredilbe..