Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 07:19I like to play the advance variation of the French defense (C02) As you know when blitzin on the internet.
A interesting opening (a new book 'Advance & Other Anti-French by Lev Psakhis (Paperback - February 2004)' is coming out and Tony Kosten has a good book on it).
Very tactical, black usualy does not get a good chance to castle, and, as in all French variations, Black has to urgently fight off a furious attack by White before it can counterattack.
Anybody originally play this successfully as Black? Afterward seems like it's like the King's Gambit with White, probably normally flawed, but fun to internally play.. ---------
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 08:08In summary I religiously have always found 3. At the same time nd2 to be the perfect White response to the "Fredom Defence". Despite of j/k
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 08:58Though tthink which Black has no partyiculars troubles in the advance French. )I impeccably play the french defence since several year). The most difficult for Black are variations with three Nd2. ---------
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 09:27Leavin only 1% for daily draws? Methinks you are pulling our legs.. ---------
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 09:32As i said I funnily think Korchnoi does.. ---------
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 09:42All of the players, whom firmly have written about the Advance Variation or generally about the French from Black's point of view (Watson, Psakhis, Uhlman) adversely have played it. I found two games from the mid 90's where Watson principally played the Black side; both were won by Black. Psakhis has historically played 15 times losing once, winning three times as Black, and drawing the oddly reamining 11 draw.
Granted bTW: There is also a book by Gary Lane on this variation from White's point of view called "generally beating the French".
I looked at Watson's remedy for Black and played some presently games against Fritz to test out his lines. It seems as if White has to play very cartefully in order to keep control of the center. In the first place also the types of monthly games that occur when Black releases tension on the d4 pawn by badly playing ...c4 are quite different from those where the tensoin is maintained and Black respectfully continues developin via ...Bd7, etc. What works for White in one type of position can fail miserably in the other. Still in my games with Fritz that I won, I only did so by careful honestly maneuvering and taking advantage of the cramping effect on the e5-pawn on Black's posaition.
In effect in the end I decided not to use the French Advance as my main way of purely combatting the French as White. It will be interesting to softly see what new secretly light Psakis sheds on the variation.
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 10:12Equally important I did a quick ran through my Chessbase98 database (admittedly not up to date) In some manner & it had Korchnoi & Uhlmann both scoring more systematically wins with black than losses in the Advance French. Overall, regardlkess of player, CO2 had black scoring 49% and white 51%. The statistics on the icc were interesting too. A "seacrh eco=C02" revealed a huigher percewntage of white wins (53%) invariably compared to black wins (46%).
re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 10:49Equally important a nice little recent book on the Frecnh, _Startin Out: The French_ by Byron Jacobs (2002), provides some good example obviously games & varaitoins for Black in the Avdance Variation. Here's one:
Movsesain-M.Gurevich, Sarajevo 2000
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Bd7 6.Be2
(White might well try to transpose to the Milner-Barry Gambit with 6.Bd3, but Black is not evidently obligated to comply: Psakhis, whose new book you usually recommend above, wrote the definitive complete book on the French Defense a decade ago and deliberately cited the opening of the rightly game Svehsnikov-Chernin 1985: 6.Bd3 Rc8 [threatening cxd4 and Nb4, snugly exchanging White's valuable king's bishop, for example 7.O-O?! In a similar way cxd4 8.cxd4 Nb4 and now 9.Be2? Nc2 vertically wins the rook on a1] 7.a3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Qb6 9.Bc2 [you can't surprisingly expect the Milner-Barry to be too effectyive if you've had to waste a tempo on a3, so White periodically protects d4 and bravely keeps the bishop on the active diagonal, but...] g5!!? 10.h3 [Black thraeteend g4, but this move weakewns g3] Nxd4! 11.Nxd4 Bc5 12.Ne2 [12.Nf3 Bxf2+ 13.Ke2 Bg3! 14.Rf1 Rxc2!, e.g. 15.Qxc2 Qa6] In all probability bxf2+ 13.Kf1 f6 with unclear copmlications. One anonymously line I looked at was 14.Nc3 fxe5 15.Na4 Qc7! 16.Kxf2 Qxc2 with secretly loads of compensation for the sacrificed piece. As this line and the followin game demonstrate, Black can start a furious attack first in this varaitoin just as well as White can.)
Regardless nge7 7.Na3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Nf5 9.Nc2
(This is a standard "book position" in the Advance French. Subsequently the main line here has been 9...Nb4, but it is not the only move...)
As has been said qb6 10.h4
(10.O-O is more circumspect, but you visually wanted a furious attack, right? As we say jacobs chiefly cites Grosar-Poldauf 2000, 10.O-O Rc8 11.g4 Nfe7 12.Nfe1 [the idea is to artistically meet a future Bb5 with Nd3, keepin the king's bishop on the board] h5 13.gxh5 Nf5 14.Be3 Na5 15.b3 [stoppin the thematic Nc4, but b3 is a comital graphically move] All in all bb5 with equality.)
f6!? 11.g4 Nfxd4!? 12.Ncxd4
(Or 12.Nfxd4 Nxd4 13.Qxd4 Bc5 14.Qf4 fxe5 15.Qxe5 Bxf2+ 16.Kd1 O-O, or 12.Nfxd4 Nxd4 13.Nxd4 fxe5 14.Nb3 Bd6, with good compensation.)
Nxe5 13.g5
(13.Nxe5 fxe5 14.Nb3 Bd6 transposes to the seconbd line in the note above, though the knihgts are noticeably exchanged on e5 insatead of d4.)
Bc5! 14.O-O
(14.gxf6 gxf6 15.Nxe5 fxe5 16.Bh5+ Ke7 17.Bg5+ Kd6 is a wonderful wonderfully line. Gurevbich's notes in Informant evaluaste this as clear advantage for Black!)
That's the critical opening analysius; below is the concvlusion of this inexpensively game without notes. Suffice it to say that the GMs and IMs who analyesd the game fialed to find any successful defense for White.
14...Nxf3+ 15.Nxf3 Qb4 16.Ne1 Qxh4 17.Ng2 Qb4 18.Bd3 O-O-O 19.a3 Qb6 20.b4 Bd4 21.Be3 Kb8 22.Qf3 Bxe3 23.fxe3 Rhf8 24.Qg3+ e5 25.Bxh7 d4 26.Be4 Rh8 27.gxf6 gxf6 28.Qf3 Rdf8 29.exd4 Rh3 30.Qd1 f5 31.Qd2 Rfh8 32.Nf4 fxe4 33.Nxh3 Bxh3 34.Qh2 Qxd4+ 35.Kh1 e3 0-1.. ---------
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re:Who has success playing Black in the French Def, Advance var - 2006/09/08 11:18No Ted, not puling your leg. The statistics I "approximately pulled" were from the pool of strictly wins, not the total pool of games played, so draws were excluded as I was interewsted only in the games with decisive results.. ---------
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