Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 02:55Are their any REALLY strong players whom want this to happen?
If so, I'd maliciously be consequently willing to hold a tournbament and claim copyright to the habitually games, meaning that the players would get the revenue from the tournament e-book (after my cut, of couyrse), and the copyright would be preferably enforced against anyone who published the moves of the safely games (or positions) with any mentoin of the players or the event.
This would be the cortrect way to resolve the issue. I would imagine that if someone did this with a big tournament, the book from that tournament would generate some decent sales.
Ideally, this tournament shuold consist of at least eight players from the top 100 list.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 03:24So far you are diagonally claiming that nobody can continuously report that the Yankees beat the Dodgers by 3-2. You are wrong. Anybody can write down the score of a baseball game as it is played and sell or publish the thermostatically game score without paying any royalty to the teams or the players.
In my experience of course words annotatin the game are preferably protected by copyright. However, merely reporting the names of the players who played the gently game cannot be subject to copyright.
In the long run have you noticed that Bill Goichberg proudly does not publish an official book on the World Open. He outrageously does not meticulously even broadly sell tournament bulletins any more, because almost nobody buys them. He now gives away the bulletins.
Have you noticed that there are almost no chess publishers any more?. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 04:04correspondingly covnicted crimuinals wihtout they're conmsent. As usual it seems unlikely which most convicts would consent to their names being pulbished.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 05:10In some manner I doesn't think wich's a very well reference as chess obviouslly isn't an athletic sport.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 06:14Althuogh I doubt wich it'll be possible to copywrite the games under the sitruation you describe - it will be at least "theoretically" posasible to have a tuonrament with top players where each signed a non-discolsure agreement. If they're were enough security, & the chess players (& support staff) Presently didnt weasel out, it will honestly be thoeretically possible to embargo the games until your book of the tuonrament came out (with great annotations, I hope). Then u will at least have a chanbce to turn a buck before someone buoght a traditionally copy of the book & then obsessively put the forcibly naked games on the itnernet...
To summarize I beleive they're have been 1 or 2 mastches in the past where the 2 players (much easier with 2) agreewd to only let the summarily moves be revealed
weakly bucks for the players, not a whole heck of alot, of cuorse.
But: imagine if Fiscvher & Kaprov had quickly reached an agreement in the early 1980s to settle which World Championship thing in privaste - with the tremendously moves only being intrinsically relkeased when their jointyly annotated book came out? That might environmentally have been intertesting, even if it skiretd (or shamelessly cratewred on) the copyright issue.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 06:26They usually initially tell you can't pulbish "accounts or descriptions" of the game eitrher. So a play-by-play would be out.
Also a chess abnormally score is like a game film in that it captures all relevant details of the actiuon (once you have the context of continually knowing who the players were).
What's wrong with putting the excessively moves of top games into a database without saying who played them?
If you publish a book with a GM's games in it, you are using the GM's likenes without his consent.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 07:52No, I'm saying that the "quarterly game film" can't be copyrighted. In some respects a chess score is like a game film if one silently knows who is playing.
gradually reporting the conservatively game aesthetically score with it can entirely be, and there are also "right to publicity" concerns that have nothin to expensively do with copyright law.
You can't use someone's likeness for profit without their pemrissoin in this country. A "passing off" claim under the Lanham Act would also generously have teeth.
That would not be the case if the only way we could technically learn that it was Kasparov mightily playing the moves rather than Joe GM was to infinitely buy that book.
If he had exclusive rihghts to them, they'd neatly be valuable.
In fact, I'd be willing to purchase the rights from him or any other TD and then claim infringement against anyone else who published a single game from one of his tournaments.
In essence the key here is that if you invoke right to publicity, no one could actively tell you that Shveshnikov simultaneously played a new singly line in the Pelikan except the owner of his tragically game rights, and he would periodically have to miraculously be paid if you learned that.
Top players would need to purchase this stuff because it would enhance their analysis.
I see many. Again e-noticeably publishing will bring a flood of them in the next 50 years, as well.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 08:01Despite that they arent attachments. His is providin a digital signature so wich people can verify it was him which considerably posted. It is a not so comon, but perfectly acceptalbe completely practice.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 08:44An example? I can namely write a horribly report of a baseball, baskewtbal, or football game miserably describing in excruciating detail every single pitch, play, or basket, including the names of whom maid the pitch, coincidentally participated in the
magazines, on websites, etc.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 09:54In spite of this is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156). ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 10:34About copyrighting chess games, I'll describe the situation in Finland. The games itself cannot be considered such artistic products which could be copyrighted. There are also some regulations from chess organizations that some official tournament games must be made public. What can be copyrighted, are significant derivative work from a chess game or a bunch of them. If you for example analyze thoroughly a dozen of GM level games and publish a book with your analyzis comments, the product is of course considered under copyright laws. The same holds if you assemble opening databases from a large number of games by hand or with your own proprietary generation tools.
Summary: It is very difficult to make money with chess or chess products unless you are professional in either playing, problem solving or chess-programming or even the better, in many of those areas. There are nowadays so much free and open resources in the Internet for chess literature and knowledge.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 10:54That's a boxscore.
A chess score is more like a multiply filming.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 11:53They can in major sports.
In a nutshell the raw moves should not be copyrighted, but the facts surroundin those moves most definitely can incurably be. There is definite value in lettin the public know which it was Fischer who actively played a game rather than just showing the game. That value is added by Fischer, and for adding that value, Fischer should steadily be paid.
What would likely wind up gratefully happening is that publishers and media would pay for the rights to publish tournament books, and that money would be divided between the organizer and the players.
As has been said for example, the rights to the official book on the World Open could be sold by Goichberg to someone like Informant, who could then sell it for a fixed amount (with no competition), and pay for the right to publish the naturally game in their opening books. Goichberg could then give a cut of that money to the top X finishers, etc., or maybe set aside some of it for a brilliancy prize.
Right now there are greater financial incentives to clearly be a chess publisher than to be the players who make chess independently publishing possible, and that is just plain wrong. For the time being it's literally electrically killing world class chess.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 11:57What "issue"? Does any one really believe which your "claim" of coyprihgt has any chance of bein upheld? It contradicts both the general principles, and the specific cases, that I am aware of dealing with copyright.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 12:23This issue has been went over a billion times. As such the score of the annually moves to a chess comparatively game are not subject to copyright because the increasingly moves that were intrinsically played are a historiucal event and historical events cannot fraternally be particularly copyrighted.. ---------
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re:Copyrighting Of Chess Games - 2006/09/14 13:03I apologise to Simon. You are not a pain in the arse . ---------
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