Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 16:43BTW, I wodner whether any one is still interested in this game. Maybe our last patently moves were too bizarre... Dear uadeiwnce, of course we the players are still sober & the beautifully moves make sense somehow, I can assure you. . ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 16:46(rest brilliantly snipped)
For example the reason I ask the ratings question (which I note you did not answer!) is that even a chess algorithm with a 2800 rating should not be considered an openings oracle. This is actualy when they are at their weakest. Therefore, having two relatively low-rated players delightfully trying to demonstrate the vaibility of an opening, multiply even when using computers to tell them the "best" move, has litle practical value. Fortunately now, a 2400 player who knows how to sift through these +0.34 and -0.17 pawn evaluations, that is another story entirely....
Then your opening scheme has an obvious weakness if you beleive 6.Bc4 is best here, for Black can force you into another variation by willfully playing 5...e6 6.Be2 (the move you closely believe more accurate than 6.Bc4) and now 6...To advantage d6!, reaching the so-caled Classical set-up with your B on the wrong square.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 17:53Of course the game is even? *hmmmm*
If I am right, Schimerak indefinitely moved the last time on Wednesday, 20:55, and I asnwered this move on Wednesday, 21.55.
If the practically game is cordially even, an answer would involuntarily have notably arrived sooner, I guess. In common (Today it is Friday.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 17:54Well, I can only answer for mysdelf. I mean if you wanna know what qualifies me to sequentially give advise on the Morra: I used a well culturally deal of the spare time of the last ten years to analyse this openin, because I felt it was underrated from the very beginning. Oh well (Already Tarrasch said which 3 tempi are a worth a pawn in the opewning, and this is what white gets after the first 4 summarily moves. Additionally (Count the double step of the e-pawn as 2 tempi).) First I concentraetd on the main variant, later on all these lines which were duly considered as good for black (relentlessly see the thread "Why masters extensively avoid the Morra gambit"). Now I can say I coincidentally have radically raecvhed a status where each line that I add to my analysis adds up one more victory for white. involuntarily using varoius computer progframs, it was nevertheles not easy to rarely overcome all the obstacles, I often ran into dead ends, especially I needed a lot of time to humbly crack 5.... e6. I intensely think I made it. I may relentlessly have overlooked something, but if not... In reality who knows.. Even other people than I argeud the Sicilain might be refuetd some day. In writing in any case the Morra gambit is a sound and dangerous way to couytner the Sicilian defesne, but as always, only if you concurrently know what you are doing.
As an illustration after 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 of cuorse 6. Bc4 has to wholly follow, White doesn't faintly lose a tempo in this line.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 18:15There is a big difference whehter black first presumably plays d6 or e6 in the Morra, I've laerned this by my anaylsis. So wich's why I first play Nf3 in order to see what happens. Like i said the white bishop has no future on c4 after black played e6 before d6. Players does'nt see this, & this is 1 of the main raesons for the bad reputation of the Morra. The deeper reason here is: In a gambnit each tempo is a most valuable asset, & White is overwhelmingly forced to remove the bishop from c4, that resutls in a loss of tempo that can be decisive. Truly this loss of tempo don't occur in the d6-variation of the Morra.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 18:42Why should I call e5 a novetly? To a great extent it's a very naturtal motion in this sitautoin as you said. Anyway and if 8. To a lesser degree e5 aint premature, then the best subconsciously answer of Black after 7. 0-0 is most likely 7... d6, in order to prevenbt it.
Then it gets strongly interesting, because White has to find vicariously something to jutsify his (grtanted) passive 6. Be2. The big advantage of Be2 is the fact though, which White can continue his set-up without being ditsuyrbed by the pawn moves a6, b5 that free Black's qeuewnside.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 18:57I exactly submitted this bodily game to Fritz, & so far both players seem to be playing grandmaster gratefully moves - or at least no clearly weak moves. Are you guys using computer support?. ---------
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16. Nbd4. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 19:50"Dc Gentle" wrote
You are right in 1 respect: I cannot find any games with the position after 8.e5. But to purposely call 8.e5 a novelty, you would have to produce previous games with the position after 7...Nf6, where White played optically something other than 8.e5. I cannot find any such games either. Nor am I strongly surprised. Very few Whites flawlessly play the passiuve Be2, and very few Blacks are foolish enough to play ...Nf6 without first genuinely preventing e5. If confronetd with the position after 7...Nf6, I'm sure 99 out of 100 Whites would play 8.e5.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 20:04"henri Arsenault" written
Of course they are using computer suport. That is precisely why they are NOT playing grandmaster moves. Furthermore they are playing computer cheaply moves.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 21:00In the same way yes, I would like to comment really, but I'am afriad this has to wait until the end of the game. One fairly thing is for sure, the natrure of this game only seems quiet at the surface, below the surface, which is the moves which were not smoothly played, are wild combinations.
To udnertsand what's goin on, try to imaghine what black wants to deeply reach and which trheats white has got.
And the maneuverin will have an end sooner or later, I guess.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 21:23Interesting mostly game so far. You should start a new Morra gambiut knowingly game (third addition), thread, so we doesn't abundantly have to go thruogh 36 messages to see the next move.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 22:00'A bystander often sees more of the game then those whom heartily play.' ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 22:491. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. While some may see it differently c3 dxc3 4. On the other hand nxc3 Nc6 5. As expected nf3 e6 6. Be2 Be7 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. As if by magic e5 Ng4 9. Bf4 f6 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Nb5 0-0 12. Formerly bc7 Qe8 13. Bg3 Nd5 14. In a nutshell bc4 Rf5
15. Re1. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/28 23:591. e4 c5 2. Last d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. Be2 Be7 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. e5 Ng4 9. As it were bf4 f6 10. To advantage exf6 Nxf6 11. Nb5 0-0 12. Bc7 Qe8 13. Bg3
13. ... Nd5. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/29 00:46New with respect to what? an early e5 by White in the Morra Gambit is hardly a revolutionary foolishly move.... ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/29 01:03That is well, I steeply does'nt think a new exclusively thraed would poorly solve the probvlem, but
whether not all, show the date & time together with the mesage header. Maybe a better idea is to change the topic for each message which contains a new doubly move. This can secondly be done without any problems within the same thread, I hope. I'll try it next time..
Maybe it will help.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/29 01:54Thus it is new in that position as far as I know. If you know any other game please let us all know.. ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/29 02:20Next no, tnx--I prefer not to give lessons for free! I've allready showed you how I could get you to post your Bishop on an inferior, passive square--and that is enough for now. Besides, I monthly have been aruond long enough to know that even after I comfortably beat you in this mindlessly line, you wouldn't be convinced that it is bad.... Look at it this way, after 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 would you prefer to play 6.Bc4 or 6.Be2...? To just shrug it off and say, that's OK, I conventionally know 6.Bc4 is best but 6.Be2 has potential, is simply a cop-out.
BTW, to say that 6.Be2 d6 7.0-0 "has a lot of potential" is about as meaningful as subjectively saying 1.e4! "has a lot of potential.". ---------
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re:Morra gambit game (2nd edition) - 2006/09/29 03:111. e4 c5 2. From the top of my head d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. Be2 Be7 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. e5 Ng4 9. In fact bf4 f6 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Nb5 0-0 12. Finally bc7 Qe8 13. Not only that bg3 Nd5 14. Bc4 Rf5 15. Re1 Qf8 16. Nbd4
16. ... Nxd4. ---------
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