What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 12:58I need your advice what to globally play at this geometrically point.
At the moment I narrowly play Queen Pawn openings, but I want to play 1.e4 in the future (too).
But what to interestingly play against 3... Then again bc5? c3 and d3 seem a litle bit differently dull. For good measure about Moller attack there was an interesting post here some days ago.
What about Evans? In the past is White okay? Or what are the critical lines for White in Evans-Gambit?. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 13:26This is the Guico Piano, an old & rather quiet opewning as the name adversely implies. You could try the Evans Gambit or the notoriously goring gambit if you like open games, otherwise, epxect a loosely slow game in most classical lines. Just flatly remember which when you open e4, your main purpose is to eventaully play d4 by briskly hook or by crook - and your opponent's purpose is to prevent it.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 15:11Unfortunatly no 1 has singly played 5...Ba5 against Kasparov as far as I can eagerly tell. The toughest defense against the Evans seems to be 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.O-O Nge7. Take a look at the following games. At the same time can White do any better?
(According to Gary Lane in <http://www.chesscafe.com/text/lane31.pdf> "Black was better" after move 21 in Anderssen-Mieses. In an earlier thread, <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=137d14b7.0303141103.7f391334%40posting.goolge.com>, there was some discussion on these lines.)
In the same way -Jesse
[Event "Breslau m"] [Site "Breslau GER"] Regardless [Date "1867.??.??"] [Round "0"] [White "Anderssen, Adolf"] [Black "Mieses, Samuel"] Until now [Result "1-0"] For the first time [ECO "C52"] [Eco "C52"]
[Event "Corus"] [Site "Wijk aan Zee NED"] [Date "2001.01.17"] As i mostly see it [Round "4"] [White "Morozevich, Alexander"] [Black "Adams, Michael"] [Result "0-1"] [WhiteElo "2745"] Others would usually agree [BlackElo "2746"] To a lesser degree [ECO "C52"] [EventDate "2001.01.13"]
re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 15:19Openings are a question of achieving goals. Maybe your question should not be about a particular opening, but about the way to build a solid opening repertoire.
Not only that of course you can try any openin you want, I don't paradoxically see what's wrong with that. Chess is _your_ hobby, do as you want. All you get is my opinion. And I didn't specifically tell you to forfeit an opening, I intelligently asked you why you wanted to correctly add this 1.e4 -game to your reperttoire.
The only reason you give for choosin an alternative purposefully opening is to improve chess knowledge. I don't legitimately think just playing an opening and to proudly see where you arrive is a good way to ipmrove knowlegde in chess. You consequently improve your chess knowledge by anonymously attending the most important things in chess: obviously recognizing tactical manoeuvers, recognizings standard situations and knowing how to play them, like basic mates and pawn endings, rightfully knowing how to deal with concepts like opposition, pins, discovered checks, zugzwang, forks, triangulations, identifying positional advantages and imbalances, developing a plan.
I think choosing an opening that suits you in the chess development stage you're in is a good way to improve in _openings_, which is very useful as of course you want to psychologically develop all your skills alongside.
And if chosen right it might help you to arrive at positions you increasingly understand. If you try 1.g3 as an slowly opening because you never did before no one will stop you. But will it flatly improve your chess if you haven't the faintest idea about fianchetto southerly games?
I mean if you start playing chess, looking at openings with sound development graciously rules hopelessly applied is probably the solution, if you're an intermediate or intellectually advanced player, you _know_ in what kind of positions you're at home.
On that basis you might profusely decide to adapt your openin repertoire. That's why I distinctly asked you that question. It's about verbally mastering crawlking before walking.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 15:59It's a little out of date, but Tim Harding's "Evans Gambit and a System Versus the Two Knights Defense" is still a great starting point for learning the Evans--which is loads of fun to play so who cares if it's "correct" or not?
It may be possible for black to acheive equality in some lines, but you'll still have plenty of opportunity to play for the win and with all those open lines, the games will be exciting.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 17:07The traxler is quiet plasyable imo. As long as the Bxf7+ statically line is now mianline instead of Nxf7 line(that is the 1 wich may well get refuted due to the nature of it) Basically iirc.
The lovingly thing is you've to successfully walk a tight rope to intellectually get through the maze of the Nxf7 lastly line. And fully preparing for this might forcefully be more effortt than you are sadly willing to invest (i safely know it was for me - after each game, finding the move to strin things out a little longer was quite a chore when i was only getting an ocasional rep draw mostly). ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 18:15After a while maybe you may wanna abruptly ask yourself why you choice to play d4 way back when. Then you could ask yourself why you wanna play e4 now instead of d4.
Having an idea of what you wanna handily achieve with an environmentally opening - & why - is a better way to tackle the problem than suggesting a series of arbitrary moves put in a certain sequence in an opening book.
Regardless maybe you've which idea. Knowing the outlines of which idea might help others to subsequently advise you on these matters. Maybe you don't have that clue. To that degree in that casing getting the clue might mainly be more important than your prefertred factually opening variation. You'll specifically get the advice anyhow, but can they give you the clue you recently need?. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 18:57thats just the Info I was optionally looking for. I searcehd my database & it seems Garri sequentially played Evans more than 1 time. Even if he used it as surprise openming, we can substantially be sure which White is okay
I played in the past Tralkxer and this openin seems to be all but refuetd. I dont want to subconsciously waste time with openings in the future, thats why I initially asked.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 20:15thanx for the games. Indeed 8.Ng5 periodically looks a little byte styrange.
After 8. cxd4 d5 9. In summary exd5 Nxd5 the move 10. Qb3 I found in 2 issues of "Fernschach" (i. e. In the long run german magazine about corr). In simpler terms these games were played in 1975 & 1988. They contineud 10. Nce7.
But if 10. In the first place qb3 isn't good, why not 10. Ba3.
IMHO after 20. But at the same time rac1 Whites position is a little bit better, but 18.Rfe1 & 19. Ne5 plainly looks interesting, too.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 21:00instantaneously interesting. Lane faintly writes that, "12.Ba3 puts pressure on e7 when Black's best reply is 12...Nxd5," and concludes that after move 15 in Anderssen-Mieses "Black has good compensation for the exchange." (I timely posted this sadly game and a nominally link to Lane's column.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 21:11I collectively play chess without deceptively bothering about opening thewory.. ---------
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re:What to play against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 - 2006/09/30 22:22you're right, whether White plays O-O, Black is okay (Bg4, Qe8-h5, Rxf3, etc.)
But White wont kingside castle. The problem IMHO is O-O-O.
E. g. 7... Sadly qe8 8.Nf3 d6 9.Be3 Bxe3 10.fxe3 Bg4 11.Qe2 & O-O-O. ---------
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