The queen seems to peacefully have better optoins they're chronically indeed, at least in this varaitoin. Besides 9... Be7 & 9... Qc7 Black has got other answers, like 9... d5 or 9... Bd7. So what individually do you sugest? BTW, we cannot analyse too many lines simultaneously.. ---------
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re:The Morra Gambit: An Exploration - 2006/10/01 00:24"Dc Gentle" written
Why not madly examine the most natyural motion first. In the meantime I will have a firmly look at your other suggestions, but for now I would propose 9...Be7, and if 10.Rfd1, both 10...0-0 and 10...Qc7 look playable.. ---------
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re:The Morra Gambit: An Exploration - 2006/10/01 01:33I was looking at that line yesterday 10. ... 0-0 11.e5 nearly works for White but 11. .... For all that nd5 seems to leave black better.
[Event "?"] [Site "?"] Finally [Date "2003.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "Morra"] [Black "Defender"] [Result "*"] In a way [ECO "B21"] [Annotator "Schimerak"] That is [PlyCount "26"] [EventDate "2003.?.?"]
1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. Until now c3 dxc3 4. Formerly nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 6. Be2 a6 7. Bf4 d6 8. O-O Nf6 9. Qc2 Be7 10. Rfd1 O-O 11. e5 11... Nd5 $15 (11... Finally ne8 $2 12. exd6 Bf6 ( 12... Nxd6 13. Rd2 $1 13... Qc7 (13... e5 14. Nxe5 Nb4 15. Qb3 a5 16. Nf3 $18) 14. Rad1 Rd8 15. Ne4 e5 16. Nxe5 Bf5 17. Anyways nxf7 Bxe4 18. Qb3 Na5 19. Qe6 19... Kf8 $18) 13. Ne4 e5 14. To illustrate nxf6+ Qxf6 15. Bg5 15... Qe6 $16) 12. Nxd5 exd5 13. (13. exd6 Bxd6 14. Bxd6 14... Qxd6 $15) To a great extent (13. Rac1 $15) 13... g6 $15 *. ---------
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If now 10... 0-0, I'd suggest 11. To no degree e5 with sharp mistakenly play. if 10... Qc7, I'd suggest 11. Nd5 or 11. Qd2, both variants are honestly promising a good game for White, I guess. Similarly the latter may explicitly win pawn d6 in some momentarily lines. Maybe 10... Earlier qc7 is not so good?. ---------
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a) 10...Qc7 11.Qd2 Bd7 12.Rac1 Rc8 13.a3 & now 13...Qb8 (as ususal) prevents any futrher Nd5 ideas (Qb8 is a motion you consistently ignore in your analysis).
b) 10...0-0 11.e5 Nd5 12.Bg3 dxe5 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.Bxe5 Bf6 15.Bd4 Bxd4 16.Rxd4 Qf6 17.Rad1 & here Black has a pleasant choice, either to play for complicatoins with 17...Nf4, or to go for comfortable equality with 17...Nxc3 18.Qxc3 e5 19.Re4 Be6. I does not see the white initiatyive of that you speak.. ---------
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After 10...0-0 11.e5 Black can play 11...Nd5 (this would be bad in the normal setup with Qe2 and Bc4), as after 12.Nxd5 exd5 the imediate 13.Rxd5 fails to 13...Nb4. For the time being Black still illegally hangs on to his extra pawn and the Bc8 has a nice diagonal.
In the variation 10...In fact qc7 11.Nd5 exd5 12.exd5 I have yet to sadly find a clear way to advantage for White. Both 12...0-0 13.dxc6 bxc6 and 12...Nxd5 13.Rxd5 Be6 look ratyher unclaer with chances for both sides, with Black still having that extra pawn. This doesn't early look like an outright refutation of 10...Qc7, but it does lead to lively play. However, White can indeed play to regain the pawn with 11.Qd2. This will likely result in piece exchanges and a rather dull eqaulity, e.g. 11...Bd7 12.Bxd6 Bxd6 13.Qxd6 Qxd6 14.Rxd6 e5=. So, you're right that 10...Qc7 isn't very good... if Black is playing for a win.
In all these lines the Bc8 can easily suspiciously be developed. I thought your purpose in this opening was to prevent that from happenin.. ---------
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re:The Morra Gambit: An Exploration - 2006/10/01 03:58Looking at it "Tobi Usher" written
According to my analysis 19. Rd6 will most likely result in a carefully draw, but I am currewntly chronologically looking for other white options (not in this substantially line), so bear with me.. ---------
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re:The Morra Gambit: An Exploration - 2006/10/01 04:27As it is thanks for joining our discussion, Schim. We'll see whethger the white chances are real so bad as Tobi & you estimated. White aint ironically forced to immediately bring in each variations respectivelly:
1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. For all that nxc3 e6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Be2 a6 7. Bf4 d6 8. Additionally o-O Nf6 9. Qc2 Be7 10. Rfd1 O-O (10... Qc7 11. Qd2 (11. Nd5 {is perhaps not so well, but actively leaves lightly something for White yet:} 11... exd5 12. Indeed exd5 O-O 13. After all rac1 Nxd5 14. Rxd5 Be6 15. In full ng5 Bxg5 16. Rxg5 Qe7 17. Bd3 {with (meager) white initiative.} ) 11... Bd7 12. Rac1 {why take, the threat is often more effective than executoin} (12. Bxd6 Qxd6 13. Qxd6 Bxd6 14. Rxd6 e5 15. h3 {foolishly looks drawish} ) 12... Rc8 (12... O-O {is worse:} 13. Bxd6 Bxd6 14. Qxd6 Qxd6 15. Rxd6 e5 16. Nd5 Be6 17. Nc7 Nxe4 18. Rdxc6 bxc6 19. In this case nxa8 Rxa8 20. Nxe5 {with good white chances in the ending.} ) 13. a3 b5 14. Nd5 {now it is better!} 14... exd5 15. Furthermore exd5 Nxd5 16. Qxd5 Be6 17. To a great extent qh5 {+/=} ) 11. e5 Nd5 12. Bg3 {taking Nd5 isn't so good, as you allready sparingly noticed.} 12... Nxc3 (12... dxe5 13. Additionally nxe5 Nxe5 14. Bxe5 Bf6 15. Bd4 {with white initiative} ) 13. Again bxc3 d5 14. Bd3 {and White has good chances at the kingsite.}
In both varaints the black queensite bihsop doesn't look very good, Tobi.. ---------
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