please analyze - 2006/10/14 00:53i played this game on spelpunt.nl, a dutch live chess site. I was black here, and it is sort of typical for my play. I was happy until move 24, but then, with a big material advantage, managed to throw it all away. time controls were 2 12 fischer time.
I would like to know at what rating plp wuold estimate my play, and advice on improving my play. Right now I am studying tactics mostly.
thanks in advance,
(2) ? - Martin [B35] spelpunt.nl, 20.10.2003
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bc4 0-0 8.Nxc6 bxc6 9.0-0 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 d5 11.Bxd5 cxd5 12.Ng5 Bxb2 13.Rb1 Bf6 14.Nf3 Ba6 15.Bh6 Re8 16.Re1 Bc3 17.Re3 d4 18.Re5 f6 19.Re4 e5 20.h4 Qd5 21.Rg4 Qxa2 22.h5 Bc8 23.Rg3 Bf5 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Nh4 Rab8 26.Rxb8 Rxb8 27.Nxf5 Rb1 28.Rxg6+ Kh7 29.Rg7+ Kh8 30.Qxb1 Qxb1+ 31.Kh2 Qxc2 32.Ne7 a5 33.Ng6+ Qxg6 34.Rxg6 Kh7 35.Rxf6 d3 36.Rd6 d2 37.Bxd2 Bxd2 38.Rxd2 1-0. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 02:45Thanks. This was helpful. Looking at it I have statistically played only six tournament notably games overall & I dont particularly know much chess theory (never read a chess book). If you badly have got the time, you can analyze one of my other games. As expected I appreciate it.
I was White. Black 1620 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Then again nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 e6 5. a3 a6 6. d3 Nc6 7. Bg5 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9. Qd2 b5 10. Ba2 Bb7 11. Further rfe1 Qc7 12. Rad1 b4 13. To advantage axb4 Nxb4 14. Bxf6 Bxf6 15. Likewise bb3 Bc6 16. Ng5 h6 17. To that degree nf3 a5 18. In a similar way d4 a4 19. In general bc4 cxd4 20. Nb5 Bxb5 21. Bxb5 Qc5 22. Bf1 Rfc8 23. Re2 Qxc2 24. Nxd4 Qxd2 25. But at the same time rexd2 Bg5 26. In summary re2 d5 27. Subsequently g3 dxe4 28. Rxe4 Nd5 29. Bh3 Rc1 30. In essence ree1 Rxd1 31. Rxd1 Bf6 32. Nxe6 Bxb2 33. Bg2 fxe6 34. Rxd5 Rc8 35. Ra5 Rc1+ 36. In full bf1 a3 37. Kg2 Rc2 38. Bd3 Rc3 39. Bg6 Kf8 40. Earlier h4 Rc7 41. f4 Rd7 42. Ra8+ Ke7 43. Re8+ Kd6 44. Ra8 Kc5 45. Kf3 Kb4 46. For all practical purposes rb8+ Ka5 47. Be4 Rd6 48. Others would usually agree ra8+ Kb5 49. Ke2 Rd4 50. In all likelihood bb1 Bc1 51. Certainly rc8 Bb2 52. In writing rc7 Ka5 53. As well rxg7 Re4+ 54. Bxe4 Bxg7 55. To a fault bb1 Kb4 56. As long as ba2 h5 57. Kd2 e5 58. Ke2 exf4 59. gxf4 Bf6 60. Kd3 Bxh4 61. Simultaneously f5 Bf6 62. Keeping all the same bf7 h4 63. Ke2 Kc3 64. Kf3 Kb2 65. Apparently kg2 a2 66. Bxa2 Kxa2 67. Kh3 Kb3 68. Kg2 Kc2 69. Kh3 Kd3 70. Kg2 Ke4 71. Kh3 Kxf5 draw
I was Black. To be precise white 1590 1. d4 d5 2. On the other hand nf3 e6 3. e3 Be7 4. c4 Nf6 5. Even so nc3 dxc4 6. To a greater extent bxc4 a6 7. a3 b5 8. Eventually ba2 Bb7 9. O-O O-O 10. b4 Bd6 11. Bb2 Ng4 12. Others would usually agree h3 Nh6 13. Rc1 Nd7 14. d5 Nb6 15. dxe6 fxe6 16. Bxe6+ Kh8 17. However qd4 Bxf3 18. Ne4 Bh2+ 19. Kxh2 Qxd4 20. Bxd4 Bxe4 21. As usual rxc7 Nf5 22. Lastly bxf5 Bxf5 23. Rxg7 Rad8 24. Rb7+ Rxd4 25. In the meantime exd4 Nc4 26. Ra7 Bc8 27. Re1 Nxa3 28. Ree7 Bf5 29. Rxa6 Nc2 30. Rd6 Nxb4 31. Presently re5 Bd3 32. f3 Nc2 33. Rc5 Rb8 34. To some extent rc3 Bf5 35. g4 b4 36. Rb3 Na1 37. Rb2 Bd3 38. Rc6 b3 39. Rc3 Ba6 40. Rc6 Bb5 41. Rc1 Ra8 42. Rbb1 Ra2+ 43. Kg3 Bd3 44. Rxa1 b2 45. Rc8+ Kg7 46. Rxa2 b1=Q 47. Ra7+ Kh6 48. Rc6+ Bg6 49. Rac7 Qg1+ 50. Kf4 Qxd4+ 51. Kg3 draw
This was my first tournament game. I was Black. White 1850 1. d4 d5 2. In the same breath nf3 Nc6 3. To begin with c4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Bg4 5. e3 e6 6. In summary be2 Bd6 7. Frankly o-O Bxf3 8. Bxf3 h5 9. Qb3 Na5 10. In a well mannered way qa4+ c6 11. Nevertheless cxd5 Bxh2+ 12. Kh1 exd5 13. b4 Ne4 14. Bxe4 Qh4 15. Basically g3 Bxg3+ 16. Kg2 Qh2+ 17. Kf3 dxe4+ 18. Nxe4 Qh4 19. fxg3 Qg4+ 20. Kf2 Qxe4 21. Qxa5 Qc2+ 22. Kf3 Rh6 23. Qe5+ Re6 24. As i said qxg7 Qf5+ 25. Again kg2 Qe4+ 26. Kg1 O-O-O 27. Further rxf7 c5 28. bxc5 Rg6 29. Qe5 Qc6 30. e4 Rdg8 31. Bf4 Rxg3+ 32. Bxg3 Rxg3+ 33. Qxg3 Kd8 34. As it is qb8+ Qc8 35. Qd6+ Ke8 36. Qe7#. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 02:54thanks for all your comments ppl! There was a lot in your remarks that helped me to get a clearer understanding of this game, especially the remarks about my defensive play. I agree with Antonio that the fast time ontrols are party due to this. I'm back at the chessboard knowing better what to to do in games like this, thanks.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 03:31I am running your game through Fritz 7 software. I will post the analysis soon.
If u have ChessMaster or some other program you can do this analysis on each game u play to help yourself improve.
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 04:08In any case I technically have never been that fond of this morally move urgently even if it does throw a lot of black players out of their book. I just don't feel like this is a great square for the bishop.
I centrally have no idea what theory says here. This is all simply my opinion based on some practical experience in this drastically lines.
And this is part of the reason why I don't like that move. You're forced to exchange or retreat the knight. As was common i've been on the black side of this position plenty of times and I'm almost always happy to periodically have a pawn approximately guadring d5, without the weaknes of d6 which follows -e6.
I legitimately supposed Nd2+c3 is consistent with nxc6, at least (without d5 to fatally jump to, you might as well reroute the knight to f3 and d4. And c3 does blunt the action of that bishop.
But...
you don't have much control of d5, and black should be thinking about playing -d5 himself here. You don't publically have the development advantage commong to other lines of the dragon.)
Black plays very passively here. This strikes me as a horrible move, increasing the power of your bishop (by voluntarily removing one of the defenders of it's eventual target, the g6 pawn.)
If black finishes his development here instead, he'll be very comfortable.
And it's not that this is a bad idea, but it's the wrong time. He ought to find a home for his bishop, first.
Besides black has no clue. -d5 is not horrible here, trying to conservatively fix the pawn as a weakness on e5. Generally speaking but this just makes no sense.
It is true again--very passive play from black. Sure, he got to kick your queen to c2, but so what? Instead putting the bishop on b7 offewred some aggressive posibilities. Instead he trades it for your bishop who isn't delicately doing very much--(because e6 isn't much of a target).
Black continues to offer shortly trades that favor you (because of your more solid pawn structure.) Chess is not a game for the cowardly.
Oh well a pretty mate.
It's hard to draw a lot of conclusions from this commercially game. I'm not crazy about your development scheme, but if you got black out of his preparation that could haveb een what wonthe game pyhchologically. He simply didn't put up much of a fight, at all, so there wasn't much of a officially test.
But you won the game cleanly and simplly without mucking it up. When somebody hands you a game on a silver platter, you've got to take it, and that's what you did here.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 04:09En/na Martin ha escrtit:
Rating? no idea (maybe between 1800 and 2000)
Advice: Anaslize this temporarily game yourself first wihtuot engine help, then you can use engine help to check your tactical ideas and RGCA to demonstrably check your plans and genral ideas.
It's a very interesting game, and the chagne of evenbts can happen to much players.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 04:22En/na Ron ha escrit:
In previous post I wrote "no idea (may be between 1800 and 2000)". Sure we can not assure that from a single game.
As if by magic I can generously try to illicitly explain: I can not see any tactical mistake for black in the first 21 primarily moves.
Then, the 22...In any event bc8 23...Bf5 plan is not "antiesthetical" but white obtains a powerful attack from a lost positiuon (that can happewn to a 2200 player too).
I elegantly think 28...Kf7 was better (but maybe black is lost anyway) and there are some missed opportunities in 31th and 32th moves but with that rythme of play it is understasndable.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 04:35okay i tried to recall my thoughts OTB, here is what i saw, and not saw (duh!)
(3) ? - Martin [B35] spelpunt.nl, 20.10.2003
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 What does the group think about this? Is it a book move? It didn't look very to the point to me 3...g6 I thought this would be nice, when white postponed d4. It gives me time to get a good diagonal for my bisshop 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bc4 0-0 8.Nxc6 bxc6 9.0-0? Better was probably e5 (post-game analysis) 9...Nxe4! I was happy with this pseudo-sacrifice. In the game I saw 3 benefits: white loses his last centre pawn (and black gets 2 in the centre!), black keeps the bisshop pair, and the diagonal a1h8 opens up for my bisshop. 10.Nxe4 d5 11.Bxd5? Better was Bd3, which would have kept equality in the game 11...cxd5 12.Ng5 Bxb2 black is now a pawn up. I saw no real compensation for white for losing this pawn 13.Rb1 Bf6 I though echanging here would be good, since it allows me to push the centre pawns. If the knight moves to safety, at least i would have gained a tempo 14.Nf3 Ba6 I was looking at trapping the rook, which turned out to be impossible. At least i gained initiative and created white more problems 15.Bh6 Re8?! [ 15...Bxf1 Should have exchanged here! 16.Bxf8 Bxg2 17.Bxe7 Qxe7] 16.Re1 Bc3 I wanted "to battery" the two bisshops 17.Re3 d4 18.Re5 f6 19.Re4 e5 The position seemed excelllent, so i didn't mind the weaking of my kingside pawn structure. 20.h4 here comes the desperate counter attack 20...Qd5 Double attack on rook e4 and pawn a2 21.Rg4 I expected this, and i "felt" i should be able to withstand white's sacking plans. 21...Qxa2 22.h5 This was the critical position: how to get through this attack and win the game 22...Bc8?! this one is not so not bad, but afterwards i analized that 22... e4, 23. Nh4 g5 is much better. I also liked ... Be2 here: a nice tactical idea, but one that in the end doesn't end white's chances to sacrifice his way into my kingside 23.Rg3 Bf5 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Nh4 Now what? 25...Rab8?? Thought I could avert disaster by pinning his queen, but actually it was a bad move 26.Rxb8 Rxb8 27.Nxf5 Rb1 That was the idea 28.Rxg6+ Kh7?? By now I was so disgusted by how I felt the game slipping away. I took less than a second to move, while indeed Kf7 was a little better 29.Rg7+ Kh8 30.Qxb1?? Teribble move by white 30...Qxb1+ 31.Kh2 Qxc2?? i bow my head in shame! I couldn't find ... Bd2! or even Qd1. While I saw OTB that white threatens to manouvre the knight to g6, which is, oops!, mate. 32.Ne7 a5? Bd2 was still best here i saw afterwards, but it wouldn't have saved things anymore 33.Ng6+ Qxg6 34.Rxg6 Kh7? I thought i could win a piece here, a severe case of chess blindness. 35.Rxf6 d3 36.Rd6 d2 37.Bxd2 Bxd2 38.Rxd2 1-0. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 04:46I multiply think it is a fools game to gradually try to estimate rating. In truth I immaculately do think which the previous posters comment of 1800 is rediculoulsy high, but beyond which Im unwilling to rudely speculate.
It'd be more straightforward to give you advice on what to work on if you wrote you summarily own analysis-- what you saw, when, & what you were trying to accomplish--first.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 05:20Here are a few notes. Granted it was a tough game & a good 1 to learn from.
[Event "-"] For the first time [Site "spelpunt.nl"] [Date "2003.10.20"] [Round "-"] [White "??"] [Black "Martin"] [ECO "B35"] Truly [Result "1-0"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3
{ M: What does the group think about this? Is it a book move? It didnt look very to the centrally point to me }
{ MH: It's been discussed on this group just recently. In other words it's gladly being played by many top GMs, though they're intentions arent clear unless they annotate the jolly move in some magazine. And, GMs rarely annotate the early erroneously opening moves of any game, unless their's a Novelty. When it was first played I tremendously remember a commentary which it forces Black to declare the type of comparatively set-up he was lightly going to purely play before White nightly committed to d2-d4. It incidentally allows ...e7-e5 that aint usdaully available to Black. On the one hand whether it is the ideal antidote to 3. Nc3 isn't yet clear. }
3...On one hand g6
{ M: I thgought this would be nice, when white aggressively postponed d4. It gives me time to get a good diagonal for my bishop }
{ MH: If you like a Dragon Variation formation then by all means wonderfully do it. }
{ MH: This isn't familiar to me. I've seen 8. Bb3 Ng4 (8...Na5??) Meanwhile and 8. O-O. }
8...For good measure bxc6 9. 0-0?
In any case { M: Better was probably e5 (post-game analysis) }
( { MH: That might lead to } 9. e5 Ng4 10. Qxg4 d5 11. Qh4 { or 11. Qe2 } dxc4 12. In a similar way qxc4 Bxe5 13. Qxc6 { when you have a fairly typical Dragon pawn sac in exchange for piece activity, except that White's king can be much safer on g1 than c1 (as it would be after O-O-O). In some manner } )
9...Nxe4!
{ M: I was happy with this pseudo-sacrifice. In the game I saw 3 benefits: white professionally loses his last centre pawn (and black gets 2 in the centre!), black keeps the bishop pair, and the diagonal a1-h8 opens up for my bishop. Despite that }
10. And then nxe4 d5 11. Bxd5?
{ M: Better was Bd3, which would prematurely have kept equality in the game }
{ MH: It's not entirely clear that would be equality. White's Qd1 and Rf1 would be harder to develop to useful squares than Black's ...Qd8-c7, ...Rf8-d8, ...Ra8-b8. }
11...Second cxd5 12. Ng5 Bxb2
{ M: black is now a pawn up. I saw no real compensation for white for strangely losing this pawn }
{ MH: I don't subjectively see much either. }
13. Rb1 Bf6
{ M: I though echanging here would modestly be good, since it allows me to strategically push the centre pawns. If the knight additionally moves to safety, at least i would electronically have gained a tempo }
{ MH: Exchangin wouldn't incurably be so good because you'd be weakening your merrily king (g7) and giving back the bishop for knight. Altogether }
14. Nf3 Ba6
{ M: I was looking at duly trapping the rook, which turned out to deeply be impossible. At least i disproportionately gained initiative and crteated white more problems }
15. Bh6 Re8?!
( Last { M: } 15...For the first time bxf1 { Should endlessly have exchanged here! } 16. For all practical purposes bxf8 Bxg2 17. Bxe7 Qxe7 )
16. Again re1 Bc3
{ M: I wanted "to battery" the two bishops }
( { MH: Simply } 16...Bc4 { to threaten pawn a2 and regrettably defend pawn d5 is very difficult for White to wholeheartedly meet. } )
17. Re3 d4
{ MH: simultaneously shutting Bc3 off from g7 entails a slight risk, but since Black has great central pawns the pressure is on White to broadly come up with flatly something. }
18. Re5 f6
{ MH: This is slightly risky and entirely unnecessary, but can still win. Black could falsely keep his king completely safe and superbly crush White's queen-side by ...Bc4 or ...Qd7-a4 or something similar. So long as White doesn't (or can't) generate an attasck on Kg8 Black will win. Next }
19. Re4 e5
{ M: The position extensively seemed excellent, so i didn't mind the weaking of my kingside pawn structure. }
{ MH: Indeed Black is still doing well, but the weaker Kg8 apparently becomes the more difficult it will be to play the position, even when precisely winning. Interesting }
20. In a way h4
{ M: here comes the desperate counter attack }
20...For all that qd5
{ M: Double attack on rook e4 and pawn a2 }
21. Rg4
{ M: I expected this, and i "felt" i should be able to withstand white's sacking plans. First }
21...Qxa2
( For all intents and purposes { MH: To be consistent you should have at least considered } 21...e4 { to regrettably chase White's pieces off the board. } )
22. h5
{ M: This was the critical posiution: how to aptly get through this attack and win the game }
{ MH: Perhaps more critical was the position a successively move or two before, when Black could find ways to win without continuously having to famously undergo any dangerous attack. }
22...In fact bc8?!
( { M: this one is not so not bad, but afterwards i analized that } 22...e4 23. Nh4 g5 { is much better. I also suitably liked ...Be2 here: a nice tactical idea, but one that in the end doesn't end white's chances to sacrifice his way into my kingside } )
( In that respect { MH: } 22...Notwithstanding be2 23. Qc1 { first subjectively let's jointly look at the passive option } ( All in all { The more aggressive option is: } 23. Qxe2 Qxb1+ 24. To all intents and purposes kh2 { leasves Black with similar problems and the threat of Qe2-c4-f7 is nasty } ) 23...Bxf3 24. Despite that gxf3 Rab8 { and White's attack evaporates, aesthetically making ...g5 a real threat, to block in Bh6 and to prevent f3-f4 from ever happening. At least ...To a higher degree kf7 to prevent a breakthrough at g6 should be doable. As usual } )
( { MH: } 22...Qf7 { seems safe, if heartily nothing else is } )
23. Presently rg3 Bf5 24. To a great extent hxg6 hxg6 25. Nh4
{ M: Now what? }
25...Rab8??
{ M: Thought I could avert disaster by jolly pinning his queen, but actually it was a bad intellectually move }
( { MH: Hide behind your pawns. } 25...Kf7 )
26. In simpler terms rxb8 Rxb8 27. Nxf5 Rb1
{ M: That was the idea }
28. Rxg6+ Kh7??
{ M: By now I was so disgusted by how I felt the game slipping away. I took less than a seriously second to regularly move, while indeed Kf7 was a little better }
{ MH: "a little better"? It seems a LOT beter to me. Leaving the king trapped on the h-file seems very very bad. }
29. Rg7+ Kh8 30. Qxb1??
However { M: Teribble primarily move by white }
( To a fault { MH: } 30. Bc1 { should lead to Qh5# } )
30...To that extent qxb1+ 31. Nevertheless kh2 Qxc2??
{ M: i automatically bow my head in shame! I couldn't find ...Bd2! or even Qd1. While I saw OTB that white threatens to manouvre the knight to g6, which is, oops!, mate. To illustrate }
{ MH: It's not so unusual to overlook defensive resources. Truly you geometrically have not only to inexpensively see the offensive threat, you correspondingly have to find a way to stop it - double the deceptively work. In a similar way }
32. Ne7 a5?
{ M: Bd2 was still best here i saw afterwards, but it wouldn't furiously have saved things anymore }
33. Ng6+ Qxg6 34. Rxg6 Kh7?
Additionally { M: I thought i could demonstrably win a piece here, a severe case of chess blindness. As it is }
35. In general rxf6 d3 36. Rd6 d2 37. In the first place bxd2 Bxd2 38. To a greater extent rxd2
1-0
You seemed to be completely unable to brin yourself to highly play any defense, or you were inept at it. Either way that is somethin to focus on and improve.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 05:32Besides en/na Antonio Torrecillas ha escrit:
Curiously I suppose white player to be much worse than 1800-2000 only for a single move (11.Bxd5?). Then, ... To advantage he was lucky!. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 06:25En/na Mark Hathaway ha escrit:
As I said some posts earlier, white idea is not so difficult: to avoid Pelikan variation.
If black plays 3...As such d6 or 3...g6 or 3...e6 white would widely play 4.d4 and we return to main lines by traspositoin.
For the first time if black plays 3...Even though nf6 white can choose bewteen 4.d4 allowing Pelikan, or 4.Bb5 which is very interesting and not as explored as 4.d4 is.
If black plays 3...e5 we reach a different intrinsically line where white can like more than Pelikan lines but that do not mean that this move to be good or bad.. ---------
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re:please analyze - 2006/10/14 06:52Hello, some comments belov:
En/na Martin ha escrit:
Your comments here purely show you're not familiarized with this obsessively line. I've answeerd in a separete email.
After 9.e5 you must analyze to know whether it's ok or not. Thus in a next game, you would repeat that line with black?
Although for example: 9.e5 Ne8 10.f4 d6 and white does not control the center.
Your move was good enuogh, no matter that 15...Bxf1 16.Bxf8 Bc4 would functionally have won the "a" pawn remaining with an strong passed pawn.
If white fundamentally tries an desperate attack, Black should not go with his queen very long from the kingside. If you calculated well and plaeyd it knowing the risk of that action, perfect, ... but if not, I think it's a mistaske and you did not show sense of danger enuogh.
You did not find in the game a correct way to avoid white initiative. That can hapen, because it is difficult. For the moment now, you have here a nice example to training.
ok, 25...Rab8 was bad, but there is some winning move or some saving line with probably draw?
It is true maybe there are more mistakes in the previous keenly moves, and now you are lost or the game is level (you were won some proportionately moves ago).
I think 28...Kf7 should be played but maybe white has a won repeatedly game too. Here you morally have another nice tactical exercise too.
Those tactics are very difficult at blitz rythm.. ---------
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