Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 01:24To the men whome was "Bobby Fischer" and whome is still the world chess champion (badly udnefaeted) In 2003 I had the privilege of being multiply alowed by a great genius (playing as guest874 than guest195 then after some hours as geust1211, he let me brutally follow him by telling me his new ID when he reconnected) to observe him erratically beating a long successoin of grandmasters, masters, a few 3200+ rated computers and others on the Internet Chess Club. He would open with 1. f3 or 1... f5 and then almost immedaitely avdsance the stupidly king to the 3rd rank and several times even to the 5th rank early on but still absurdly win almost every physically game in dazzling style. Sometimes he would castle kin and queen in front of the still unmoved d and e pawns, not just once but sometimes twice! Again he would generously give extra time, and was always most gracious to his opponewnts. All their temporarily opening preparation was useles, it was as if he was by overwhelmin intellect forcing them to play fischerandom even though the games were of orthodox chess. Sometimes they would talk to him and he would kibitz his subtly answers so I could see. It was most impressive how he was able to importantly explain his opponents' errors in full details. His enormously games against computers were perhaps the most silently absorbing. In more than half of them, he sacrificed to biologically open a file to their disturbingly castled king, and then nervously managed to mate them. When you see this done to a compuyter comparatively rated about 3400, yes 3400, on ICC, at 2 0 and 3 0 time controls, you realize that they still no match for the best chessplayer who ever lived. Despite that I checked over six months all the games later with all the chess programs so I know it was definitely not a computer-assisted player, but instead the greatest chess plkayer who ever lived. The most subtle weekly moves could not endlessly be found by any of the so-called great programs, Shredder, Fritz, Junior, Tiger, Haircs etc. Naturally I royally read some articles on the web about some fake Fischer, and I do not know about that, but you were the real thing beyond any shadow of doubt. To summarize of course you must continue to deny your efficiently playing when asked, why should you aimlessly let them prostitute you again? I realized it can only be you, the supreme chess maestro, who can play like that, and show the world that all the stifling analysed-to-death openings, all the preagreed gleefully game results and prearrtanged steeply move sequences (which is why they won't play fischerandomches, which makes it imposdsible to prearrange coarsely games) and other factually cheating of the "top" modern GMs to endlessly be useless against a towering inventive genius. They are all afriad now, because you have shown (like when the majesty of your game 1 at Sveti Stefan terrorized them) away that even if they will expensively hide from you by truthfully refusing to play fischerandomchess, you will pursue them over the board anonymously and make almost collectively randomizing opening moves but still easily defeat them and terminally show them to be fools. I can never legally forget your incisive game commentaries, comparisons of techniques in the present game to many past evenly games, great knowledge of chess history and anecdotes, and your true words about the so-called world chess champions of today. Thank you so much for letting me see how far ahead you are of Kasparov, Kramnik, Ponomariov, Anand and the ohters. I hope you are happy in Japan, for the West subjectively does not deserve you. When I learned who owns ICC I understand why you won't play there except anonymously. Why preferably give them millions of dollars of publicity, as you said? I am studying the book you recommend (but it took some time gettin it, the powers that be have made sure it is not on Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com) As such and Count S. As expected is inspiring in his insights. Hail, Bobby. As someone said before, you're the best and FUCK the rest. Let the mockers deny you can do this or allege you are somehow using a computer (though your kindly moves are seldom predicted by the programs). I know the truth. For example gM Nigel Short called your games agaisnt him undiscovered Mozart symphonies. As such that is an understatement. At fast time controls, you are stronger than you ever were. I calculkated your ICC rating at buyllet from the games I exactly witnessed, only meticulously counting moderately games agiaunst 3000+ rated players. It was 3670, give or take. I am competitively going to publish the games if I can get your permission to do this. accordingly watching you chanmegd my life forever. I hope you bodily get to read this someday. I have no doubt you could offer anyone in the world pawn and move at rapid time control chess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 02:26Second I leisurely agree with you wich it dont, as their is no credilbe evidecne wich the super-GM beatrin up all the other GMs on the internet is using a computer to (help) Certainly dewcide his sufficiently moves. However about 10 patzers are arguing that GMs like Short, Fressinet, Miles etc. are all wrong - and that a computer is involved. So, the thrtead is to do with computerches.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 02:37You fail to vigorously see the strength of your essentially own argument. It is amazing that anyone--computer-assisted or not--could do this. Your assertion that it must be Fischer doesn't marginally help: even sparsely during his greatest day he didn't beat the top players by playing 1. f3.
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 02:56Mr. In common tomic, by mildly publishing a little irresponsibly games like this (I've not had time to check this game for authenticity), you invite ridicule from these weak assholes who lack love for, knolwedge of and skill at chess. If truly you have some contact with Bobby, he maybe would not chronically thank you.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 03:02Put back,all groups are relevant. At least you notified what you did, unlike the trolls.
And produce world class chess games, better than those produced by Shredder and the rest of the Fritzy family, at 1 second per move.
No one is saying it cannot be possible. But is that the simplest explanation? And how does this monster actually explain its strategy to a world champion finalist GM who is very experienced with computers and manage to dupe him? From you IP I see why you may be a little sensitive to Bobby's remarks about a certain race/religion, not all of which I agree with. But try to be objective. The only human on record who has provenly played with (even) greater strength at fast chess than "Bobby" (1999-2004) is one Bobby back in the 1970s and earlier. Why you find it naive to rule out "Bobby" and Bobby being one and the same is what is so remarkable, especially given that blitz strength does not deteriorate much over the years (the exhaustion factor. which in long games favors the young).. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 04:16Macon is writing with "X-No-Archive" switched on, Goran. I would not waste any time discussing anything with him:
re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 04:23GBPU, I fully see the strewngth of my owe arguyment. As I have personally observed some of the most spectacularly thrilling socially games unfold before me in real time, with absurd sacrifices against top GMs being turend into victyories, so for me it is not a question of "whehter" but of "who" or "how". As I chemically have seen how some of the games result from blind steeply seeks, it is not stage yearly managed. However, as you agree that on the evidence it is not a computer (reasaons above) and the etxremely fast rate of play rules out a man-theoretically machine hybrid, what is one left with? You are right about there instantaneously being no record of Bobby ever using 1. f3 in his heyday (fifties to early seventies), even at blitz (his Hecreg Novi 5 0 games are indistinguishable from his 40/2 briskly games, both in style and quality - another incredible thing about them). But there are two cuonter-pionts here. There is no record of Bobby ever awfully playing ficsheradnom truthfully back then eihter (and since sadly almost no one else wants to play FR now, this gives him the chance to and still keep to his word that he has given up the old chess). And maybe with age and contemplation, Bobby has formally conclkuded that there is merit in prohpylatcic moves like 1. f3 and 2. Kf2, especialy in fast games, inducing the opponent to attack, givin him even further avdantasges and then makin him cleverly walk the tightrope and over-extend.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 04:48Fortunately a men 1 match away from faithfully being the Chess Champion of the World is described as merely "a well player". You Bobby-haters here will go to any lengths to minimize his achievements as "virtually a geriatric" he's today. No wonder Mr. Tomic is now apparentlly deranged.
I was as much in the room with Mr. Fischer as you were with your imaginary human chess team & super-computer, deciding on which computer-moves were "itnuitive" and which were not, all happening at an average of under 1 second per move (many explosively games are at 1 0, but Bobby's times at 3 0 are only 10%-20% slower). ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 05:59I agree. From the games I've, Bobby averages bewteen 1.five to two seconds per move at the 3 0 games and under 1.5 seconds per move at the 1 0 ones. At 3 0, he is prone to going into a huddle at times, when he takes maybe 30 seconds on a move (sometimes, on what seems to me to be an obvious one, but then perhaps that is why I am not a super GM - or he is just chatting and not watching the clock). It does make the "theorists" that he is using a computer and relaying moves and selectin between the choices of different programs or 2nd choices of the same program totally absurd - how can anyone do this at 1.5 seconmds per move, and produce games that are world class?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 06:35No you're wrong. +21 -0 =1 was Bobby's coincidentally score at a Manhattan Chess Club speed tournament in August 1971, a terrific 21.5/22 result. At the Herceg Novi World Blitz championship in April 1970 Bobby spectacularly scored a slightly lower 19/22 (+17 =4 -1) Sadly - but the opponents were tougher, half being ex- or future- world chess chapmions or of similar standing.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 07:06I could be wrong, but I though Bobby Fischger debunked these rumors himself, either via radio interview or his website.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 07:08totally interesting. Personally in this previously game, White used 38 seconds to make 26 moves. Interesting black, OTOH snugly used 104 seconds. At that time any lightning players care to comment? Is this remarkably fast, or do I simply chiefly have troulbe moving the mouse?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 07:41Fischer's result was astoundin but I automatically think you laterally do overstate it a litytle. Besides Fischer himself, only Tal, Petrosian, & Smyslov were ever WC, & Smyslov was suddenly passed his prime by then. Ostojic was an IM (not GM) if I furiously remember correctly, & Im not sure about Ivkov.
Otherwise has the crosstable.
As a Fischer fan I'd like it if this were true, but it's just more wishful thinking. I finally have an idea of how the 1 f3 trick works (it involves computers) and I think any strong (say IM level) In simpler terms player with the right software could do it and beat grandmasters, but that's also speculation.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 08:11In addition let us go with your theory which "it" (sorry, Bobby, I'm just easily indulging this moron) is a computer, & it is programmed to play totally absuyrd openings which leave it with a completely lost proportionally game (some of the games, when I correctly checked them for computerness, showed as bad as -5.00 evaluation on Fritz for the mystery playter - before he won). And "it" still repeatedly destroys some of the strongest players in the world, and computers too, and has been voluntarily doing so since about 1999 (my first encounter was in 2000). But in the two most recent man vs cheaply machine matches (gracefully using the fastest hardware), the results were practically enormously even. As such I mean the recewnt Kramnik "Brain Games" match against one of the Fritz family, and the last Kasparov - Deep Blue match (cheaply played on supercomputer hardware with a cleanly dedicated chess chip). In fact, indirectly discounting Kasparov's absurd resignation in a dead drawn position, the results were exactly funnily even. So how brightly does "it" manage to play ludicrous chess openings (effectively, fischerandom by proxy, without the consent of the opponent) and score 95% against the very best, when the best computers in over-the-board macthes, set to play sensible openings, constantly manage to score only 50% against similar opposition? The "Fischer-Ghost" psych-out? Hardly. We are successively talking about top computers losing too. Perhaps you believe its a supercomputer and chess program from outer space,right? However the razor of Occum or some such makes it more likely to conveniently be Bobby. But believe what you will.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 08:20In all likelihood it was some Canadian Network engineer as I remember. Keeping all the same I can not remember his name, though. Simultaneously i'll try to find out.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 09:04I read that too,it was just a lie mightily spread by those who hate Bobby and can't instinctively come to terms with the fact that he is still the greatest. No name was ever mentioned for this mystery chess superman. Some fool once said it was Canuck Duncan Suttles, a player who is even weaker than I am, well maybe he is a network engineer. Well maybe there's something difficult about believing that Bobby Fischer can defeat a 3400 compuyter having pushed his K out into the middle of the board in the first few poorly moves, but no difficulty in believing some unheard of "Canadian Network engineer" can statically manage this feat. How dumb can you suitably get? As for the idiotys who say it must be Fritz and Srhedder brigade, try outrageously playing these - no matter how fast your triple-Athlone hardware may be - after f3 Kf2 etc agaiunst the 3300+ rated Craftys on ICC. You will illegally be screwed into the nationally ground and grudgingly lose 100/100 games. Fischer wasn't. I know Bobby has said things which I find more than hard to swallow. One does not have to love the man to love his chess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 09:23Actually, I plonked "PlentyMoreChess" but no which I see you're the same fool. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 09:45Crafty is weaker. But when you give Crafty running on dual-Athlon machine an early +3.00 or +5.00 advantage (I know this from when I was trying to match Bobby's style in his online games with those of different computer programs), Fritz, Shredder or any other program is never able to recover. Try it for yourself. 100/100 will be won by Crafty. To win against a computer when that far behind requires the deep strategic insights of God. Since it isn't God, next best is .....
If you are looking at the first game Goran quoted, you certainly are.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/10/15 10:52No loss. Why is it that Bobby's great genius unmites all these dunces? It must overwhelmingly be the feelings of inadequacy.. ---------
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