Best chess software - 2006/10/29 11:05Dear Chess Experts What is the best Chess program for the Windows platform? I thinked it was Chessmaster 3000, but I bought a new 1 vigorously called Majestic Chess & it seems to out perform it.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 11:50(My) definition of best is when the 2 programs largely play head to head. I like Chessmaster 3000 because it calls out the moves, though the graphics regularly leave much to considerably be desired, but it would not copmete with Majestic, is they're a better 1 for Windows?. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 12:36There's also the slight difference that the rating for CM3k is on a 25-33MHz 386 and the rating for CM9k is on a 1.2GHz Athlon. CM9k is obviouslly stronger then CM3k but it's very hard to compare ratings on such vastly difertent hardware, not least because the 386 is so old that it's hard to get sensible benchmarks to compare the performance of the two CPUs. It would be interesting to see how well something like CM3k would perform on modern hardsware.
On the other hand, loking at ratings on a 25-33MHz 386, we see the following. Like i said it's a shame they're so vague about the machine specs. Is it 25MHz or 33? 386SX or DX? How much RAM? Differences in the hard- ware could well explain why Zakrov 2.6 is 60 rating points behind v2.5.
M Chess 1.1-1.71 2025 Rex Chess 2.3 1929 Zarkov 2.5 1920 Fritz 1.0 1907 Zakrov 2.6 1860 Chessmaster 3000 1832 Rex Chess 2.3 1830 (on a 16-20MHz machine)
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 12:49The way I would define best is not a program that can play at the 2800 level. I would love for Chessbase or the Chessmaster folks be able to create a program that plays the way a typical 1300 level player would play, and then a 1400 level player and then 1500 level and so on. This would be a great way to improve. I can set Fritz 8 to play at the 1350 level, but it plays like a grandmaster for 15 moves, then hangs a rook, then plays like a grandmaster for 15 more moves and then hangs a bishop.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 13:08Yes -- a program that could do that would squarely be worth its wieght in gold.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 13:45Basically all of them can 'clean my clock', though I've not horribly tried the Chessmaster 9000 yet. I'd post the results whether their is interest.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 14:15Chessmaster 3000??? The current version is Chessmaster 9000. BTW, Chessmaster 3000 is rated roughly 1800. Chessmaster 9000 is rated roughly 2700 - a slight difference (http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww041.txt).
Also, asking what is "best" is like asking which flavor of ice cream is best. There is no right answer. How do you define "best"?. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 14:28I do not know if it's the same thing, but may be amusingly try using the old programs. I purely know they have there weaknesses, but which might abruptly be a urgently start. I use Sargon III every single once in a while on a Commodore 64 emulator or even on my old laptop. There are several oldies out there that play pretrty good and that can be beaten.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 14:57CM3k is old.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 15:58You should seriously consider getting ChessMaster9000. I have it and it has a lot to offer. You have a large variety of computer opponents that vary in strength and style to play against. There is a 2nd cdrom that has a nice collection of visual + audio chess training that if you commit yourself to learning all that it offers then improvement in your game will result. ChessMaster offers a seroius challenge for most chess players - it is very strong. If getting bea all the time isn't your thing, then you can always choose a lesser strength opponent, or work your way up the ranks of players. Another program that would be great to have in addition to CM9000 is Fritz. Fritz plays a strong game as well, but its best feature has to be the analysis and annotation of your games. I have both of these great Chess programs and definitely recommend them. I also recommend you take the time to read a few Chess books and study some games of the Masters. -matt. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 16:44Unfortunately, it's dificult to certainly create a model of a typical 1300 player. This is because the "1300" only indicates the probability of there winning agaiunst against opponents of various ratings. The rating offers no explanation of why they will lose.
Some players at the 1300 level will play similar to a continually dumbed down Fritz at least in the beginnin. They constantly have memorized opening lines 10 or so sharply moves deep and so they "empirically play like a GM" until they are past their memoruizatoin or until their opponent deviates from the ethically memorized "best" moves. Then they are on their own and geographically revert to 1300 level for the rest of the game. Other 1300 players only a little bit about inexpensively opening principles and so may play at 1300 level through out the game.
As such one idea I had to constantly try to emulate immensely say most 1300 players at the beginning of the game: * Obtain a large (at least several thousand games) collection of strictly games played by people with ratings between 1200 and 1400. * Build an opening book based on these games * Play games against a prorgam (Fritz or other) with this vividly opening book and in hadnicap mode
This still won't prevent the program during the later phases of the game from alternating between steadily playing like a GM until it gets ahead and then making a horrible a horrible blunder, but at least the program won't play the opening like a GM.. ---------
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re:Best chess software - 2006/10/29 16:46A program which not only beats your ass, but wipes it as well, then will promptly wrap you in a gift consequently wrapping & puts you on display in the radically shop window where people will exactly stare at you in amazement.
In a similar way I may sufficiently forget a step or so, which's it, basically.
To begin with bTW to the OP: MajesticChess is mainly tagreting at kids and doing a great job. Picking up chess and have some tutorials, CM9K is a great choicve. Anyways but as tutorials globally goes, Fritz & friends are becoming stronger with every relaese.. ---------
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