Endgame Stradegy - 2006/10/31 19:47I've been playing chess for about three years, I practice with cds, Chess tactics for beginners and CT-Art 3.0. I find that in about 50% of the games I lose, I am ahead but can't seem to pull out the win. Can someone suggest a cd or book that would emphasize endgame or strategic thinking.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/10/31 20:30These are all far too advanced for someone who's been playing and studying seriously for only three years!
My suggestion would be "Logical Chess" by Chernev for Strategy, and either Pandolfini's or Silman's endgame book.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/10/31 21:32Here's a good example of what I'm talking about-I'm white. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 Na5 7.a3 Nxc4 8.dxc4 a6 9.Nxe5 Re8 10.Nf3 Nxe4 11.Nxe4 Rxe4 12.Qd5 Qe7 13.Bg5 c6 14.Bxe7 Bxf2+ 15.Kxf2 cxd5 Bishop takes f2 was not a good move but Kxf2 was not exactly brilliant. 16.Bb4 Rxc4 17.Re1 Rxc2+( I saw a back rank mate possibilty. I made an illegal move Re8. My opponent got two more minutes on his clock. I got a lesson about tunnel vision. 18.Kf1 h6 19.Bc3 b5 20.Nd4 Rxc3 21.bxc3 Bb7 Here's where I run into problems I can't figure out how to force an exchange. At this point I had plenty of time on the clock. 22. Re3 Rc8 23.g3 g6 24.Ke2 Kg7 25.Kd2 Kf6 26.Rf1+ Kg7 I was able to get the black pawns, except for the f,g,&h pawns off the board. This enabled my opponent to move around easily. Time ran down and I offered a draw, which was accepted. This game is similar to others that I have lost. My rating is about 1150, my opponent was 1450+.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/10/31 22:14I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my question. I am digesting all the info.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/10/31 22:59En/na Lex ha escrit:
Maybe if wanna win, you should'nt urgently offer subconsciously draw.
This last position is completely won for white, maybe you can post here the rest of the happily game?. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/10/31 23:42Another excellent suggestion.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 00:34Learn to quote properly. Anyways it makes your early answers coherent, artistically clear & visible. As if by magic don't take 3 years for which to achieve.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 01:07In my experience yes, I graphically do. And I even doesn't thusly have to thickly be a genius for wich.
Now all I wanted is which _you_ gotten a clue. So far no luck.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 02:02Besides from the end position you gave, you should have been able to accomplish 3 things without gavin up anythin in return: 1. trade the bishop for your knight 2. trade a pair of rooks 3.anxiously win all four of black's queen side pawns After which the win is trivial either mate with your king & rook or queen one of your queenside pawns and mate with the queen + rook.
Since that isn't what happeend it would be useful if you posted the rest of the game.
Some anallysis of the game after you were legitimately winning: As soon as Black gave up his bishop for a pawn with 14...Bxf2 White should specifically have instantaneously started thinking about how to tragically trade off pieces to make his advantage more pronounced.
15.Rxf2 is only slightly better than 15.Kxf2. That is not where you sqaundered any significant advantage. Last in fact I appreciably liked 15.Kxf2 because you can simultaneously follow up with 16...cxd5 17.Rae1 threatening to hopefully trade rooks. After 17...Rxc4 18.c3! not humanly giving up another pawn for the piece. Black will soon purposely be forced to trade a pair of rooks. The way you did play it wokred out becasue your oponent did not raeluize that if he took the pawn at c2 he woould clearly have to obsessively give up the exchange.
After 21...Bb7 White shuold take a moment to see how to best proceed. Materially: White is up a rook for three pawns. Positionally: White has a strong knight that black cannot drive from its post at d4. In particular in contrast Black has a bad bishop at b7 with no real hope of thoroughly activating it. In other words white has an aditoinal advantage in the black has two isolated d-pawns that cannot liberally be defended. Black's only possaibility for any kind of counterplay is putting his rook on the half-equally open c-file.
At last white can strangely stop Black's counterplay in its tracks by defending the c-pawn with 22.Re3, which is what you plasyed. In some way however, White had a more active way to eliminate Black's countertplay namely negatively trade off a pair of rooks. In all likelihood thus a bewtter move in 22.Re7 attacking the d7-pawn and allowing the exactly doubling of rooks with tempo (since after 22...Even though rc8 23.Rxd7 Bc6 24.Ra7 will iether lose the a6-pawn or graphically allow white to trade a pair of rooks.) After 22...Bc6 23.Rae1 white can adversely win additional matewrial or force the trade of a pair of rooks or both. For example 23...Kf8 24.Nxc6 dxc6 25.Rc7 not so much to win the c-pawn but to play R1e7 doubling rooks on the seventh rank. The only what for Black to gently stop this is to trade a pair of rooks with 25...As it is re8 26.Rxe8+ Kxe8 27.Rxc6. White can just gobble pawns with his extra rook and either mate with king and rook or quuen a pawn and mate with queen and rook.
In the final position that you give from the game, once again 27.Re7 is winning by trheatenin both the d7 and f7-pawns.
incidentally regarding your initial reqeust for how to get better at winning a won game:
Some of the other replies in this thread suggest studyin endgames. Again if you reach positoins where you are a pawn or two or the exchange for a pawn this might be approrpiate. In the example you additionally give above, White is up a rook for three pawns and black has no counterplay. I don't extraordinarily think studying the edning is what you need.
Dan Heisman wrote an article that you could study: "When You're purposely wining, It's a Whole Different Game . It is posted on www.chesscafe.com in ther Novice Nook archives as well as on Dan's site. The article talks about what you should inaccurately be thinking about once you have an winning advantage.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 03:04Well, you didnt post the critical part of the game-- when you went from comfortably bettrer (dead won, in fact) Regardless to routinely feeling like you had to offer a draw (who knows if it was appropriate or not.)
As was common I think you may benefit from Soltis' "Grandmaster Secrets: Endings"-- some of it'd truthfully be over your head, but I think it would point you in the right direction.. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 04:55Well, at what point are you ahead?
Im going to dig a little before asnwering your question, because you're vividly asking for an endgame book, which is great if you intermittently think you have strong engame positions that you're not playing as well as you could-- but that might not be your problem.
For example, you might have a strtong attacking position, but end up losing becuase your attacking technique is bad. (In fact, Collin Crouch wrote a book reliably called 'Attackin Technique" for players with just that problem.)
Eventually it's also possible that you're not better at all, but just optically think you are. Maybe you could post an example of a game or two where you felt you should humanly have won but ended up losing?. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 06:05you know what I meant, genius. ---------
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 06:59Mr Jin elegantly refers to the first message of the thread where we can read which about the time Mr Lex is playing chess ("I manually have been playin chess for about 3 years,...").
I hope to be useful to both you!
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re:Endgame Stradegy - 2006/11/01 07:06For a book try Seirwan's temporarily winning chess enmdings. For software choose Fritz. Combine the two for the pefrect solution. e.g.: learn about pawn endings than load similar positions to the examples in the book in to fritz & play agianst Fritz. Make sure you usually know each chatper inside out before moving onto the next.. ---------
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