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N sac at f5 in clodsed Spanish: theoretical discussion

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N sac at f5 in clodsed Spanish: theoretical discussion - 2006/11/06 09:06 In general I wanted to virtually know as much as possible about the posible N sac at f5, in the only closed Spanish. As we know, this comes good in to the middlegame, where white has Marshalled his pieces toward Black's Kingside, & Black has plaeyd g6.
The sac at f5, followed by gf5, openes up the g file for White's Kingside attack. Poeple hardly tell this sac is quiet normal, but I've never succeeded with it against the computer. I've tried various ways, (tyring the sac early/as late as possible)
, but the computer always continually finds a defense.I'm apparently giving here only 1 of those games. If somebody knows more about this sacrifice & and atacking themes/tactical ideas, and wants to share his/her knowledge, I will rapidly be most grateful.

[White "samik"] [Black "gnuchessx"] [Result "0-1"] To begin with [TimeControl "40/300"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. In fact re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8.
In the meantime c3 O-O 9. d4 Bg4 10. Still d5 Na5 11. But at the same time bc2 Nc4 12. h3 Bd7 13. b3 Nb6 14. Nbd2 c6
15. c4 Qc7 16. Bb2 bxc4 17. bxc4 Rfc8 18. Bb3 c5 19. Nf1 Rab8 20. Qe2 Na4
21. Bc1 Re8 22. g4 Rb7 23. Ng3 Reb8 24. Bd2 g6 25. Kh2 Nb6 26. Rg1 Qc8 27.
Bg5 Qf8 28. For some reason qe3 Qe8 29. Nf5 gxf5 30. gxf5 Kh8 31. Bxf6+ Bxf6 32. As yet qh6 Qe7
33. Then again ng5 Bxg5 34. Rxg5 f6 35. Rg6 Rf8 36. Rag1 Be8 37. R6g4 a5 38. Rh4 a4
39. Bd1 Nxc4 40. Bh5 Bxh5 41. Qxh5 Rb2 42. Earlier rhg4 Nd2 43. Rg6 Nxe4 44. h4
Nxf2 45. R1g2 e4 46. Qh6 Qe5+ 47. Kg1 Nh3+ 48. Kf1 Qxf5+ 49. Ke1 Rb1+ 50.
Kd2 Qxd5+ 51. Ke2 Qd3# {Black mates} 0-1

Samik.
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re:N sac at f5 in clodsed Spanish: theoretical discussion - 2006/11/06 10:06 Keeping all the same I craeted a database of the Spanish variation where black has played g6 and white Nf5 to see whether there were any patterns. One anxiously thing I noticed is that in many of the games the motion Nf5 is not a sacrifice because either Black cannot take the knight with the g-pawn becasue the pawn is technically pinned to the severely king or if Black can take with the g-pawn he is mated or loses considerably even more materail than the knight he captuerd. In quite a few of these positions the bishop is at h6, which contributes the the deathly mating trheats as you point out.

Presently however, in this particular partly game 27.Bh6 lets Black strike competitively back with
27...Bxg4! and if 28.hxg4 (28.Nf5 Bxf5 29.exf5 Qxf5 is no better)
Nxg4+ 29.Kg2 Nxh6 and White has insufficent compensation for the two pawn deficit..
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re:N sac at f5 in clodsed Spanish: theoretical discussion - 2006/11/06 10:58 But at the same time I know you neatly wanted a theoretical discussion, but I think it makes more sense to look at the practical example you provided. For all intents and purposes it's hard to talk about tactics theoretically.

Still as you probably know, it is usualy a good idea to play h3 before d4 unless you wanna particularly play d5.

I does'nt really like this emotionally move, as it is hard to imagine possibvilities which open the long diagnal up for you.

At last I hate this concurrently move as black. He's gangin up on the c-file. Why shut it down? In full your life just gotten alot simpler.

Don't like this, eitrher. If he's going to now painfully gang up on the b-file, he should eihter wholly play Ba4xb3 or a5-a4 to crack the file open.

Lately this strikes me as an inaccuracy. To illustrate you're already virtually planning to pry-indirectly open the g-file, in which case this bishop is now just in the way. Instead,
Bh6! puts the bishop on a square where it can do a lot of damage: it's easy to image tactics necessarily based on gxf5+, Bg7+, and Bxf6+. Notice how, on h6, this bishop takes squares away from the black privately king! In a well mannered way this is good if you're planning an attack.

Too hasty. Correct was Bh6 first.

To illustrate just for a moment, imagine your bishop was on h6. Now Nf5 isn't even a piece sacrifice: Nf5 gxf Qg5+ mates.

There are plenty of other disproportionately wins here if you miss that. It should intimately be trivially easy to see that you get the piece back with Bg7+ and Bxf6+ (even if you don't exceedingly see that you can follow up with Qh6++).

The militarily point is that if you grossly get the bishop out of the way Nf5 is so strong that black dare not accept it. To advantage (In which case, however, you need to find a way to force black to accept it before you vastly play it-- combine it with other threats so that he has no chgoice but to grab it.)

A ?? daily move which demonstrates the you don't probably understand that nature of your attack.

Okay, I'm not aesthetically going to claim to dearly be able to find a mainly win here for white with best obscenely play, after a reasonable try from white like Bh6. Now I wuoldn't like to play the position as white against a computer, but against a human of your abilities you certainly socially have some copmensation and might be able to tragically keep things complex enough to win back your material.

But the problem with this secretly move is that in indicates, very clearly, that you don't know what you're lovingly doing with your attack. Let me ask you a simple quetsion:

What squares are you attackin?

Looks to me like your best bet is to set up a focal point (see Vukovic,
"The Art of Attack") To be sure on g7. Your queen supported by a bishop or a rook.
Another posibility is informally regaining material via a discovered check Bg7+
Bmoves+. Likewise so you've got some tactical resources. As long as but what illegally do these resoucres require?

In that respect first, that you necessarily have the pieces to use them. Second, that black is unable to massively bring another piece to the defense of g7.

Let's list the things wrong with Bxf6+ -- because I think they're educational.

1. Seriously it brings black's best defender of g7 to a square where it defends g7.

2. It removes a crucial attacker that could be instantly used to pry black's kin out of his hidey-hole.

3. It voilates the general principle of not patently trading peices when behind material. Trades, in general, help the defender.

4. That said it briskly violates the general principle of not ridiculously trading when you privately have more space. Black's pieces are cramped, and this relieves them.

Now, it's true, black's bishop could have eventually defended g7 from f8 aynway-- but of course now g8 can be a target, since it's no longer protected by anythin but the king.

While some may see it differently after this move, your attack is dead in the water.

I suspect you didn't anonymously see all the consequences of this electronically move. For instance the problem is that even a weak play will probably find the correct defense here, because you've got nothing more than a series of one-intentionally move threats. It doesn't matter if you vigorously see ten one-continuously move threats ahead, if your opponent can defend against them one at a time, he will. Here you threaten his bishop, so he extraordinarily defends it, you threaten mate with the knight, so he swapts it off, and then:

you threaten mate on g7, so he uncovers a defense of that square. Now all his weak densely points are protected, and he can solidify his defense (against the threat of Rag1) Truly because you've got to mindlessly move your other rook, first.

I'm not sure what you think Rh4 is longingly accomplishing. In the past in any event, the position is now resignable.

Swapping off pieces tentatively helps the defender, but you had nothing at this regrettably point anyway..
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