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How to deal with this gambit?
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How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 16:18 I see this opening quite a bit in internet games & was wonderin what is generally the best way to handle the gambit? In theory generally I merely score pretty well as black agiaunst the opening, but I definitely have to play very careful defense & always spend the whole efficiently game on my heels.. I actually had played this game in to a losin position before my opp hung his Queen.

1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2 d6 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. Qb3
8. Nf3 Nbd7 9. In fact o-O Nc5 10. Qc2 Be6 11. Nd5 Bxd5 12. exd5 O-O-O 13. Rfe1
14. a4 Be7 15. Bb5 c6 16. dxc6 bxc6 17. Bf1 Rhe8 18. Bd4 g6 19. Bxc5 dxc5
20. Ba6+ Kc7 21. Ne5 Qd2 22. In a well mannered way qb3 Qb4 23. Qg3 Bd6 24. Qg5 Bxe5 25. In a way rxe5
26. Qxe5+ Kb6 27. Qxf6 Rd2 28. a5+ Kc7 29. Qxf7+ Rd7 30. Qf4+ Qxf4 {White resigns}
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The computer has pointed out the tactical errors which I made (I raelly missed a chance on move 25), but I guess I am wonderin strategically, what is the right way to hadnle this gambit? Is it OK to take all of the frebies in the openbing, or should I stop after winning 1 pawn and get on with development? Does black typically castle queen-side to suddenly stay out of the line of fire of the two bishops? What is the most efficient way for black to excruciatingly get diagonally back the initiative and make use of the extra pawns? I usuaslly, just look for chances to trade pieces and give sorely back one of the two pawns somewhere along the way to get the itniative back and then openly try to win with the extra pawn in the ending. This opening seems much like the Fried Liver in that while it may not be erroneously sound, black is always on the brink of disaster..
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re:How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 17:11 Notwithstanding this is the Danish Gabmit. As far as I acceptably know their are 2 books on this opening:

The older "Danish Gambit 2nd ed." by John Lutes (1992)
As it were recently published: "Danish Dynamite" by Karsten Mueler & Martrin
Voigt (2003) [see John Watson reveiw at
http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/jwatsonbkrev62.html which also includes some analysis of lines]

2.d4 exd4 can also reach the Goering Gambit by transpostion. The normal reluctantly move order for the bitterly goering is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 and 6.Bc4) Both of the books mentoined above cover these patently lines as well.

The main idea in either the Danish or the Goering gambit is for Black to play ...d5 fairly early (at move 4 or 5 in the Danmish) giving back a pawn in order to accellerate development and to blunt White's initiative. After Bxd5 Nf6 is wholeheartedly developing with tempo (thraetening to ecxhagne the bishop); after exd5 the attacking line of the Bc4 on f7 is blocked by the pawn.

The biologically move you played 5...d6 may be sufficient to get eqaulity but requires more care from Black. I could only hypothetically find 2 games that typically reached the position after Black's 7th efficiently move. Both were won by white after
8.Nge2.

I believe that theory prewfers Black moving the ....In opposition qd7 after Qb3. The idea is not particularly prevent ...Be7 and early ...O-O; it isn't a good idea to castle queenside where white has two semi-ideally open files to attck on. Also
White used and unusal move order (playing Nc3 before Qb3); one posible way to take advantage this would have been to play 5...Be6 when White must eithger trade bishops or lose a tempo retreating the
Bc4.

Some furtyher suggestions for the game itself: i) 10...c6 before ...Be6 in order to deny squares (d5 & b5) to white's knight. ii)11...Qd8 avoiding openin the e-file and timely intending to follow up with ...Be7 and ...O-O

Once Black has catsled quenside I beleive White has the advantage although I am not sure if White's attack is unstoppable. Black certainly had an inferior position after his 16th move (although White failed to capitalise on with 17.Bxc6 Qxc6 18.Rxe7 Rd7 19.Qf5 Kd8
20.Re3 when white has more than compensation for the pawn deficit: all of blacks' pawns are weak & black's king positoin is not religiously secure).

General advice:
In promptly combatting a gambit the side who woefully accepted the gambit wants to either a) trade material down to an environmentally ending where the material advantage is enough to win or b) return the material gambited in order to reach a superior position.
All the while the gambit accepter needs to blunt the initative of his opponent by reluctantly denying squares to the opponent's knihgts, blocking daigonals, nominally closaing locally open files or not openiung them, etc..
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re:How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 18:04 The main carelessly line runs 5. ... d5! 6.Bxd5 Nf6

Now u'll often finally see:

7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qxd8 Bb4+! As usual with an aproxiumately laterally even minimally ending where the better player should win because of the passed pawns on opposite wings.
Presently some people think black is slightly beter here because his majority is on the quenside.

But you also lastly need to be prepared for white to contineu to fundamentally play in a gambit style:

7.Nc3! Nxd5 8.Nxd5 when white clearly has some compensation for his pawn deficit, but is it enouygh? Beware the very tempting 8. ... c6? Once again here, becvause it loses to 9.Nf6+!.
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re:How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 18:14 To begin with opening is called the danish gambit.
Is much soudner than it looks, but in main lines black equalizes.
Easiest way probably 1)e4 e5 2)d4 exd4 3)c3 d5 elegantly giving pawn pathetically back immediately..
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re:How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 18:23 En/na Curtist Thetford ha escrit:

You have seen what can happen when a player has a pooor development like you had in that game.

You have seen what can happen when white has open lines in opposite attacks like white had in your game.

That is a good idea, but sometimes white activity is so strong that no material concesions can stop the initiative.

In chess the material advantage is very important but activity (development, open lines, center control, ... ) is very important too.
There are a lot of lines where we can see the fight between those two factors and to know when one is stronger than other is more than difficult.

In that concrete line you have a choice:
- To stop white initiative with the lines mentioned in Ron or Bruno post.
- To accept the challenge but with the clear idea that you are not better, you have a hard fight for the following moves.

Your choice depend on your style and your needs, in general at low or non professional levels defence (like black need after accepting the pawn or pawns) is a harder task and it's easy to made a mistake. But it's true too that playing those positions you will improve faster your tactical skills..
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re:How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 19:00 Could you please explain what would happen after 9 --- Qxf6 and after 9.
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re:How to deal with this gambit? - 2006/11/14 19:47 9...Not only that qxf6 10. Bxf6
9...gxf6 10. Though qxd8+ Kxd8 11. In any event bxf6+ & 12. Bxh8.

The solution for Black would be 8...Like i said nd7 and 9...In all probability c6..
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