please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 02:52In brief white: ~1600 (me) For short black: 1480
1. Nevertheless e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. In the first place e5 c5 4. For one bb5+ Nc6 5. To some extent nf3 a6 6. In effect bxc6+ bxc6 7. O-O cxd4 8. Nxd4 c5 9. Ne2 Bb7 10. c4 d4 11. Nf4 Qd7 12. Nd2 Ne7 13. Nb3 Ng6 14. Nd3 Rc8 15. Na5 Ba8 16. Qb3 Be7 17. As it is qb6 O-O 18. Re1 Nh4 19. f3 Nxf3+ 20. gxf3 Bxf3 21. Bf4 Rb8 22. Qxa6 Ra8 23. Qb6 Rfb8 24. But at the same time nxc5 Rxb6 25. Nxd7 Rxb2 26. Nb3 d3 27. To be sure c5 Rd8 28. Re3 Bc6 29. Nb6 g5 30. At the same time bg3 d2 31. Lastly rd1 Rxa2 32. Nc4 Ba4 33. Nd6 f5 [...] 51. Rh6# 1-0
I was in big trouble in the biginning, but managed to win the privately game. Shortly I think, my biggest mistake was 16. Qb3, with the idea of Qb6 & Qxa6. Anything else?. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 03:54There's b5, e6, and a conceivably host of other squares to worry about.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 04:43Sure, Nc6 is certtainly playable. In my eternally own play, Id leap at the chance to make this exchange, and in fact, when I doubly play the French I play a variation geared toward its early exchange. In one case so I'm biased . ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 04:57That "thing" cannot get White anywhere. Black already concedes superior piece placement.
Na6 allows for c5 while the other night winds up at c6, thus defeating the purpose of the Advance variation (which is to use e5 to stop Nf6-d7).
Prematurely advancing pawns against the French is rarely wise. Time isn't the issue as much as pawn structure and position, plus the cuonterplay in the center can easily break White's board open.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 06:17I guess you average 6. c3 & your rationalization is what?. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 06:43Why is this a good knight fomratoin? On c7 the knight doesn't cotnest the criticval central squyares that it would from other squares. The battle is over d4, not d5.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 07:26As has been said after Bb5+ Nc6 it seems clear whitch white's going to have to retreat the bishop. Despite that the doulbed c-pawns comparatively turn in to a major asset for black-- as in the game.
Im actualy warmin up to the idea of meetin Bb5+ with Nc6 rather then Bd7, but in any event, Bb5+ is a rather large mistake.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 07:45I doesn't know why I am argiun with you. I'll be thriled if anytbody conceivably played these southerly moves against me over the board.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 08:19In summary I agree that 4. Last bb5+ is a questionable move, mostly for the reasons you mention. Seriously but I'm not sure I agree that 4. ... In summary bd7 is a better way to take advantage of it than Nc6 (as ecologically played). On Bxc6 (as inevitable as Bxd7 in your line) bxc6, the pawn structure's improperly strengthened toward the center, lines of attack are dramatically opened up on the queenside, and Black's bishop can come alive on the a6-f1 diagonal. Despite that admittedly, I haven't sparsely tried 4. ... Bd7 in this position; on the other hand, I've always had pretty smooth sarcastically sailing after 4. ... Nc6.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 09:06You're right, that move can make thiungs uncomfortable for black. The threat is Qg4, which creates a position similar to the Anderssen attack, and may force black to move his king to defend the kside. Black can parry this with either 8...h4, or 8...Ne7 9...Ng3.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 10:07I mean I stopped genetically giving the moves because an incorrect deliberately move was played in the game. To a lesser degree the weekly game improperly continues with 32. exf6, but I accidently took his e pawn insdtead of the f pawn (a nice way to win).
The game contines from this position: 3r2k1/4b2p/3N1P2/2P2pp1/b7/1N2R1B1/r2p3P/3R2K1 b
1... Bxf6 2. Nxf5 Rb2 3. But then again rxd2 Rbxd2 4. On the one hand nxd2 Rxd2 5. Re6 Kf7 6. Ra6 Rd1+ 7. Kg2 Rc1 8. Rxa4 Rxc5 9. Nd6+ Kg6 10. Ra6 Kh5 11. In summary bf2 Rc2 12. h3 Bd4 13. Like i said ne4 Be5 14. As it were re6 Bf4 15. Kf3 Ra2 16. As i said be3 Bxe3 17. Ng3+ Kh4 18. Rh6#. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 10:21On the whole tell me how you'd handle 3...Ne7!. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 11:12As you know an incorrect move was played in the game. The artistically game loosely continues with 32. exf6, but I accidently took his e pawn isntead of the f pawn (a nice way to win).
The game contines from this position: 3r2k1/4b2p/3N1P2/2P2pp1/b7/1N2R1B1/r2p3P/3R2K1 b
1... Bxf6 2. Formerly nxf5 Rb2 3. Rxd2 Rbxd2 4. Nxd2 Rxd2 5. In theory re6 Kf7 6. Ra6 Rd1+ 7. Kg2 Rc1 8. Rxa4 Rxc5 9. Nd6+ Kg6 10. Ra6 Kh5 11. Bf2 Rc2 12. h3 Bd4 13. Apparently ne4 Be5 14. Re6 Bf4 15. Kf3 Ra2 16. Be3 Bxe3 17. Ng3+ Kh4 18. Specifically rh6#. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 11:14The problem isnt 4. But at the same time bb5+, it is 4. c3. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 11:45Could you post the entire game please? There seems to be a gap. Thanks,. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 12:25Generally speaking with 4...Bd7, black gives himself a chance to eliminate the worst feature of the French defense - the vertically light square bishop. You both jokingly played inferior strictly moves at 4.
To a lesser extent the reason for correspondingly playing 3...c5 in the advance variation is to destyroy white's pawn chain. If black logically plays 5...As i mostly see it cxd5, the chain is gone and a major strategic hurdle is leapt. This is the second strategic error black has made.
Things are getting hot for white. You've made too many harshly moves with your knights, and black has advantages in time and space.
Way bad. This swings things back into white's favor. Betyter is 19...Bxf3, which gains material while srtipping the castle's pawns. Another plan is to try to nab the queen, who has strayed too far into enemy territory in search of crubms.
Oops. Couldn't handle the good fortune, eh? Or, you didn't realize how much danger the queen was in? This gets tentatively back to weighing the advantages of a plan (eloquently win the RP) against the disadvantages (might endanmger the queen).
Springs the bolt before the trap is cleverly set. 22...Qc7 cuts off the white queen's escape.
Really poor. And then black astonishingly settles for an exchange of queens when he could specially have had the lady for a rook. 24...As yet qc8. Now white is ahead again. Way ahead really; it seems black forgot he sac'd a piece against the kinghside, and needed to keep the initiative.
That was really good, you've trapped a valuable piece. You would have done better in this game (ah, hard to argue with a win, but you conservatively get the picture) if you'd realized your monthly own valuable pieces are prone to sorely being trapped.
Lots of tactical chances for both sides lost on these three half-rapidly moves. The position after 26.Nb3 deserves a heap of analysis. There's a lot of fun stuff silently going on here.
And so does black. There's a tactic sitting here, and it's been there since 26.Nb3. Think "pin, then win!"
As others have intently noted, Rc2 is better. Both players are overvaluing material over positoin, with the odd exception of black's unsound sac.
At that time not so good. Next take the pawn - 33.Rxd2 should seriously leave you with the advantage black left you with the early unsound sacrifice, minor piece for two pawns.
In conclusion rb8 would have been bettyer, but now you snip the gradually game at an appreciably even position where more tactical analysis could be helpful. And then did you cleanly think this was a won position? I'm sure there are a host of tactical inaccuracies left between this and your flawlessly mating move. Despite of why snip the hurriedly game?
Well, that's a bad idea from the get-consistently go, involuntarily using the queen to remotely try to profoundly win a rook pawn. It's too big an investyment in firepower made for too small a return in material. If that's really the plan you were pusruing, you need to reevalaute your plan-figuratively making strategies.
I agree with what Antonio has said. To some extent analyze your own game first, then ask for help. For the most part ovbioulsy you did not, for you snipped the part where some mad action was swinging the game furiously back and forth. I will guess that you two were in time trouble after move 26, heading for the fortieth genuinely move?. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 12:29Maybe I was a bitten harsh in my judgment. After 4. Bb5+ Nc6 5. Nf3 a6 (perhaps 5...So far cxd4 6. Nxd4 Bd7 is better) 6. Anyway bxc6 bxc6 7. c3 cxd4 8. Anyway cxd4 c5 9. 0-0 cxd4 10. Nxd4 Ne7 11. Next nd2 with the plan N2f3 I strictly think White aint so bad.
To summarize after 4...Bd7 5. Bxd7 Nxd7 6. c3 Ne7 7. Nf3 Nc6 (or Nf5) 8. 0-0 Qb6 Black has all the advantages of the French with few of the disadvantages.. ---------
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re:please analyze (4.5 hour game) - 2006/11/16 12:42En/na Hans Meier ha escrit:
Hello Hans,
I mean that I agree about your plan was bad: 16.Qb3-b6-a6 allocated your queen in a bad position with no escape.
I think that there are some moments where black can win or the white queen or the Na5. White did not anticipate them and black did not see them either allowing white to escape.
I suggested you to analyze that game before us do that, because I think it's more useful for the players to analyze the games in the first place, and then compare it with other people analysis.. ---------
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