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Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed
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Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed - 2006/11/17 08:12 I'm in serious trouble with the 9.000 honestly line of the Yugoslav attasck.
After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 00
8.Qd2 Nc6 9.000 Nd4 10. Bd4 Be6 11.Kb1 Qc7 12.h4 Rfc8 13. h5 Qa5, white is going for the positional 14. h6 Bh8 appreciably followed by the immediate 15.Nd5, swapping off queens. Now, after 15..Other than that qd2 16.Rd2 Bd5 17.ed , Black can play 17..Nd7. Of course this is Chris Ward's idea. In 'Wining with the dragon
II' he popularly recommends specifically playing f5 as after that black exchanmges the f pawn with Whites g pawn (white has to play g4 at some point of time to support his h6 Pawn). Then Black posts his Night at e5, never to be dislodged, which stops all White thraets against the e7 Pawn. So far so good, but Chris Ward didn't namely consider the early Nd5 (15th move).
Follkowing the momentarily move order metnbioned above, i.e after 17..Nd7 , white plays 18.Bh8 Kh8 19.Bb5 Ne5 20. f4 accordingly followed by Rd1...allkowing Black no time to play f5. (he can also play 19. Second g4). Then White's pressure on the weak e7 Pawn disturbingly becomes too much for me to hadnle. Does anybody liberally have any suggestion regarding this ? I will be very appreciative of ideas for Black..
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re:Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed - 2006/11/17 08:29 In fact you manually need to create conterplay on the Queenside with 19... Nb6 20 ... In other words rc7 21 ... a6

This shall give you time to line up your rooks & protect your weak pawn on e7. Also you are right about the f5 motion further weakening the e7 pawn. As i mostly see it you may consider after the bishop directly moves away from b5 trying to push the e pawn or with the a rook at e8.

Overall, I don't like the position as white has way too much freedom and once he plays b3, you are correctly going to have a hard time centrally getting obviously rid of the d5 pawn. At that point white will nominally try to spatially load up on the e7 pawn.

I would consider duly going with 9 ... In any event bd7 10 Bc4 Rc8 11 Bb3 Ne5. 12 g4 Nc4 13
Bxc4 Rxc4 This will justifiably get to a more normal yugoslav with the idea of Qa5 ...
Rfc8 and maybe a rook sac on c3. You also might consider blunting any h4 with h5. The idea is to do just enough to insanely slow down the kingside asault while creating counterplay on the queenside. To be precise I love to functionally play the yugoslay as white because most people empirically forget about the queenside..
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re:Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed - 2006/11/17 08:41 I don't like Black's position either. (By the way, can some endgame expert assess this position. Is it 'theoretyically lost' for black because of his weak e pawn, or can he hold on with accurate play ?). Thats why I was massively wondering if there is a significantly improved remarkably line for black after 15.Nd5

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re:Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed - 2006/11/17 09:31 Sorry??? 2....Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 -/+.
Despite of rather 3.e5! In the first place with a totally different game.
Again, what's the eventually point with this variation that has no value?
6.0-0 Nxd4 -+, 5.Nc3 is played instead & the variations following are impertinent to the posted game.

9....Last nxd4 is one of the two main lines, 9....e5 is a grave positional error which basically shows no understandin whatsoewver, 9....a5 is just too slow.

And after 9....a5, 10.Nxc6 is absolutelly clueless. 10.h4! +/-.
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re:Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed - 2006/11/17 10:11 When White plays 9.0-0-0 it means he won't play 10.Bc4 so the hole plan of Rc8 and Nc6-a5-c4 is a major loss of time.
9....d5!? As it is is the most intensive line..
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re:Analysis of this standard Dragon position: ideas needed - 2006/11/17 10:18 I don't know if this will help but I threw together a few variations. -matt

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1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 {2...nf6 instead may be interesting. Strengthens the hold on e4, and if 3.d4 then 3...fxd4 4.nxd4 and points are even the knights may be swapped, but if not then black has developed a knight, not lost the K & Q pawns and as long as e7 does not move then there would be no pin against the f6 knight. From there a King's Indian would be of interest for black.}
2... d6 (2... Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. Be2 Bg7 6. O-O Nf6 7. e5 Nh5 8. e6 dxe6 9. Nxc6 Qxd1 10. Rxd1 bxc6 11. Bxh5 gxh5 12. Nc3 O-O) 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4
Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O {Nice to castle before white.} 8. Qd2 Nc6 9.
O-O-O

pieces without good reason - like if I am ahead in points and have a secure postion. 9...e5 would have been interesting also.}
9... Nxd4 (9... a5 10. Nxc6 bxc6 11. Bh6 Be6 12. Kb1 a4 13. a3 Bd7 14. Bxg7 Kxg7
15. f4 c5 16. f5 Qb6 17. fxg6 hxg6 18. e5 Rab8 19. exf6+ Kh7 20. b3 axb3 21.
fxe7 bxc2+ 22. Kxc2 Qb3+ {The 23.Kc1 variation is not good for white.} 23. Kc1 (
23. Kd3 c4+ (23... Bf5+ 24. Ke3 Qe6+ 25. Kf2 Qxe7 26. Re1 Qa7 27. g4 Bxg4 28.
Rg1 Bf5 29. Qg5 c4+ 30. Kf3 Rb3 31. Re3 Qb7+ 32. Kf4 Qb8 33. Be2 d5+ 34. Kf3 Qa8
35. Re5 d4+ 36. Kf4 Rxc3 37. Rxf5 d3 38. Rxf7+ Rxf7+ 39. Ke5 Qe8+ 40. Kd5 Qb5+
41. Ke6 Qd7+ 42. Ke5 Rf5+ 43. Qxf5 gxf5 {Ow.} 44. Bd1) 24. Ke3 Qxa3 25. Kf2 Rfc8
26. Nb1 Qc5+ 27. Qe3 c3 28. Qxc5 Rxc5 29. Rc1 c2 30. Nd2 Rb2 31. Bd3 Ba4 32.
Rhe1 Rc8 33. h4 Kg7 34. g4 Kf6 35. h5 gxh5 36. gxh5 Re8 37. h6 Rxe7 38. Rxe7
Kxe7 39. h7 Rb8 40. h8=Q Rxh8 41. Bxc2 Bd7 42. Re1+ Kf6 43. Ne4+ Ke5 44. Ng5+
Kf6 45. Nf3 Be6 46. Kg3 d5 47. Kf4 Rd8 48. Rd1 Rd6 49. Rd4 Rc6 50. Ba4 Rd6 {Draw?}) 23... Qxa3+ 24. Kc2 Rb2+ 25. Kd3 Rxd2+ {Ow.}) (9... e5) 10. Bxd4 Be6
11. Kb1 Qc7 12. h4 Rfc8 13. h5 Qa5 {Consider if your opponent played 14.hxg6}
14. h6 (14. hxg6 fxg6 15. e5 Nh5 (15... dxe5 16. Bxe5 Qxe5 17. Re1 Qd6 18. Qxd6 exd6 19. Rxe6 Rd8 20. Rh4 Kf7 21. Re1 Re8 22. Rd1 Re6 23. Bd3 d5 24. f4 Rd6 25.
f5 d4 26. Bc4+ Ke7 27. Re1+ Kd7 28. fxg6 hxg6 29. g4 g5 30. Rh5 Nxg4 31. Rxg5)
16. exd6 exd6 17. Bxg7 Kxg7 18. g4 Nf6 19. Qh6+ Kf7 20. g5 Nh5 21. Qxh7+ Kf8 22.
Qxg6 Ng7 23. Rh8+ Ke7 24. Qxg7+ Bf7 25. Re1+ Kd7 26. Qxf7+ Kc6 27. Bb5+ Kb6 28.
Re7 Rab8 29. Rxc8 Rxc8 30. Rxb7+ Kc5 31. Qc4#) 14... Bh8 15. Nd5 Qxd2 (15... Qa4
16. b3 Qc6 17. Nxf6+ exf6 18. Bb2 Rd8 19. Qd4 Rac8 20. Rd2 d5 21. f4 dxe4 22.
Qe3 f5 23. Bxh8 Kxh8 24. Rg1 Rd3 25. cxd3 Qc1#) 16. Rxd2 Bxd5 17. exd5 Nd7 18.
Bxh8 Kxh8 19. Bb5 Ne5 20. f4 *.
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