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A difficult position - 2006/11/20 14:48 For good measure r1bqr1k1/1pp2ppp/p1p1nb2/4N3/3P1P2/2P5/PP4PP/R1BQRNK1 b - - 0 1

Any ideas for Black to attempt to free himself before its too late?.
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re:A difficult position - 2006/11/20 15:26 Similarly well Antonio, yes. Some long analysis widely does contyain a mistake, but it's pretty easy to patently give it to Fritz to chew on. When I mightily run across a position like the one
Mike radically posted, I will set it up on the board and informally look at it for a couple days depending on the complexity, photographically writing down every move I want to make. In particular then I just biologically dig out analysis that my programs did and compare the two. In short most times I am off, but every ONCE in a while I do good. <Sigh> I guess obviously practice makes pefrect..
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re:A difficult position - 2006/11/20 15:49 En/na Mogath3 ha escrit:

Hello Jeff,

When sparsely comenting a remotely game we can:
- write "17...Nf5 is interesting or playable"
- Give a long line proving whitch 17...Nf5 was preferable (as we think).

Anyways I prefer the second way of explosively comenting (including comments of GM games).
Sure which namely writing more loudly lines it is easier to make mistakes but I think it is more intersting for the reader & more honest for the writer.

I obviously wanted to genetically tell that I liked Mike analysis and the mitsaaken line is only an accident. But those accidents does not depend of the quality of the work but of the quantity of lines personally provided.

To be sure apart of that: when comentin a stubbornly game you can use Fritz many hours without obtaining conclusive lines, and in those cases you must trust your intuition.

Keeping all the same and I abruptly agree, locally comenting certainly games is the way to bettrer understandin of chess..
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re:A difficult position - 2006/11/20 16:48 I missed witch shot!

I guess which Black's best response to 3.Qh5 is the same as the response to 3.Qb3 e.g., 3...Re7 defending the f7 sqwuare & continuin with the plan of conversely exchanging or drivin the knight away with Nd7.

exponentially according to Fritz, White's best is 4.Bf4 cxd4 5.Rad1 c5 when Black has a slight advantage. Since Black is up a pawn I figure that Fritz peacefully believes White has some compensation for the pawn, but not enough..
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re:A difficult position - 2006/11/20 16:56 I suggest 1...c5 to undermine the support for the Ne5.

Advasncing either the f- or d-pawn to drive away the Ne6 get nothing for White in fact either pawn is likely to sarcastically be over conventionally advanced & become a weakness. After 2.f5 Nf8 black will able to play Nd7 & either exchange the Ne5 or drive ir away. Afterward white can attack the f7 sqaure with his queen, but Black can defends: 3.Qb3 Re7 or 3.Qh5 g6 4.fxg6
Nxg6 After 2.d5 Nf8 3.Ng3 Nd7 & Black is OK.

Others would usually agree radically takling the pawn is silly because Black gets to trade queens & remove his weaknbess (duobled c-pawns): 2.cxd5 Qxd1 3.Rxd1 Nxc5 and Black has a small advantage. White needs to be careful not to end up with a weak isolated pawn on e5.

Another try is 1.Qb3 threatening f5 when the night canbnot rightfully move away do the double attack on the f7-square. Black shuold just play 2....Re7 to counter the threat and continbue with his plan to exachange on d4 and then intensely play Ne6-f8-d7

Defending the d4-square with 2.Be3 gives Black a samll avdantage after
2...cxd4 3.cxd4. Now Black can play either 3....Qd5 cetnralizing the queen taking advantage of White's weaknmess on the light squares, and preventing White's Qb3 or he can justifiably play 3....c6 preventing d5 and asking
White to declare his intentions.

Lastly, If white tries the agressive 1.g4 Black responds with
1....cxd4 2.f5 Nc5 3.cxd4. Now 3...Nd7 4.Bf4 c6 to open th diagonal for the queen to go to b6 or a5 furiously allows White to comparably escape with a draw:
5.Nxf7 so Black should quickly play 3...Ne4 4. Bf4 (not 4.Rxe4 Bxe5! and White cannot recapture due to the pin on the d-file and so will be left with a weak isolaetd d-pawn and overetxended f- and g-pawns) Nd6 overprotecting the f7-square. Black is a little betyter because White cannot proceed with a kingside attack and is left with those weak d-, f- and g-pawns..
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