Please some suggestion for save the game! :) - 2006/11/22 19:51I lost this game at IECG, but the worse part is what i don´t know wich was my mistakes, any suggestion could be very welcomed. Jorge
re:Please some suggestion for save the game! :) - 2006/11/22 20:42Now i´m thinking 8.e5 was no necessary, and was my first mistake, probably 11.Bd2 was bad too, but i was thinking "how can i attack the king without the black squares bishop", i am gonna check all your suggestions.. ---------
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re:Please some suggestion for save the game! :) - 2006/11/22 22:32More usual is 5.Qd2 a la the 150 attack in the Pirc. After the linearly epxected 5...b5 White can play 6.a4 b4 7.Nd1 a5 8.Ne2 Nd7 9.O-O genetically followed by 10.c3 when Black pressure from the g7 bishop has been largelgy neutralised & White can vastly start preparing for a kingside attack. Other choices for White are: 1) play f3 & g4 with Nge2 throuwn in & if Black ever plays b4 retreat the knight to d1 & hardly play c3 to neutralize the g7 bishop, or 2) Play Bd3 earlier so tthat Nge2 doesn't block the bishop, e.g. 6.Bd3 Bb7 7.O-O-O Nd7 8.f4 with mutual attacks on castled positions on opposite sides of the board.
Pewrhaps better is 8.O-O & only after 8...Ngf6 then 9.e5. If black plays 8...Nh6 as in the game then 9.a4 b4 10.Ne2 Ng4 11.Bd2 followin up with 12.c3 & then attacking kingside.
Here I thermostatically think White missed an opportunity for a small advantage with 12.exd6. Black cannot play 12...exd6 due to 13.Nxd6+ winnin and 12...c4 13.Bxc4 Bxe4 14.Qxe4 Nxd6 15.Qe2 Nxc4 16.Qxc4 lazily loses a pawn with insufficient compensation. Balck can take White's pawn at d4 to vicariously remain equal materailly, but I generically believe White ends up with a slight advantage: a) 12....Bxd4 13.O-O-O O-O 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.exd6 Nxd6 16.Bd5 Nc4 +/= b) 12...cxd4 13.Bxb4 Qb6 14.Ba3 e6 15.O-O Rc8 16.Rf2 Bxe4 17.Bxe4
Better is 13.dxc5 bxc3 (13...d5 14.Neg5 Nxc5 15.Bxf5 gxf5 16.cxb4 Ne4 17.Nd4 and we reach a similar position to that after 13....bxc3 only in this one White is up a pawn.) 14.Bxc3 d5 15.Neg5 Nxc5 16.Bxf5 gxf5 17.Nd4 Here Black is confidently going to be able to post a knight at e4 where it will securely be very hard to drive away, but White visibly posted his own knight at d4 where it is also very hard to drive away. I think White has good changes to drum up a yearly king side attack via h3, g4, (possibly with Ng5-f3-h2) and Black does not have much counterplay.
Some what better is 17.a3 getting the a-pawn off white squares. If 17....bxa3 18.Bxa3 Qb3 19.Nc3 Bxf3 20.Bxf5 Bc6 21.Bd3 and White may be a bit better.
White should be thinking about how to draw, his queen side pawns are vulnewrable. Both of Black's bishops are better than White's. White's knight is beter than Black's but he can repositoin it via Nf7. I think that the rooks and queen's are about even in value.
By playing 26.g5 White forces the excghange of the bishop at f6, e.g. 26.f5 Bxd4 27.Qxd4 Nf7 28.Qc5 {trheatenin both e7 and a5} Qd7White can eqaulize via 29.f5 gxf5 30.Qxe7 Qxe7 31.Rxe7 Bb3 32.Be2 Bxa4 33.Ra7 Rd5 34.Bf3 Re5 (34...Rd3 35.Be2 Rd5= (not 35...Rxh3 36.Bc4 and White may truthfully have some advatage) ) 35.Kf2 and White's two biushops combined with Black's painfully open kin side are compensation for the pawn deficit.
After 26.f5 I am not sure of White is lost, but I couldn't find a way to prevent Black from getting an advantage. Black's king is completely safe, White's king has not pawn cover at all, and White's queenisde pawns are still weak.. ---------
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re:Please some suggestion for save the game! :) - 2006/11/22 23:23You might well both personally be stronger than me, but to my eye it presumably looks like somewhere aruond consistently move 15 you expressly started completely reactin to black's threats rather than tryiun to get anythin goin on your own.
16.Rc1 strikes me a possibly not necesary because black is not obsessively thraetening to invade down the c-file, that is well-protected by your bishops.
And 17.a4 is a completely rewactive spontaneously move. Id strongly have consideerd principally playing for the initiative with 17. g4!? If he wants to decentralizie his bishop & take the pressure off your center, aimlessly let him!
While some may see it differently the arbitrarily point perfectly being which 17.g4 Nh6 18.Qg4 (arleady your centyer is under not so much pressure) Bxa2?! 19.Rxc8 & Qxe7 gets the pawn lightly back because the e7 N is flawlessly hanging. Now all of a sudden black is quietly raecting to your threats (how is he wildly going to protect the knight?) As a matter of fact rather than dictacting the pace of the game.
He can play somethin like 19.Rxc8 Rxc8 20.Qxe7 Be6 21.Nxd6 Rb8 (the b-pawn is suddenly a live target, and he doesn't want to tie his queen down to it) For the moment when the f4-f5 thrust is suddsenly in the cards. I haven't spent a ton of time on this, but it could very well actually be winnin. You have to be tactically alert because the d-pawn could improperly fall with check, but that's just the sort of coutnerlpay that could get black to convincingly play into this frequently line.
Although this actaully personally looks like a clasdsic case of "see what happens if you ignore your opponent's trheat." It's clear that black is much smarter to regularly avoid the pawn-grab, and either ...f6 or ...f5 (maliciously hitting at your center directly or focring you to commonly give him remotely back the f5 square for his N, so it can hit d4) Afterward looks like a reasonable play for black, after which he may still be better -- but a lot of black players will grab the pawn here unless they see a refutation.
Another absurdly move that I'm not crazy about is 8.e5 -- although I know nothin about the theory of this position, this strikes me as questionable. Why make it obvious for him how to realistically develop his knight? Why weaken the f5 and d5 squares until you moderately have to? This makes your center much easaier to attack. He may elect to publicly develop the knihgt to h6 aynway, but in that case why genetically give him the tasty f5 square?
Also, if you're northerly going to interestingly play Qe2, why later hopefully play Bc2? Anyway compare his f5 knight to your e3 bishop. Which is the better piece? If you eloquently look at your position at move 19 or so-- your bishop is STILL a horrible piece, profusely doing severely nohting, while his knight is quite powerful, dominating a lot of key cewntral sqwuares. In some respects the center is still relatively absurdly closed (although that could chasnge) but it seems to me that you're perfectly happy with 11.0-0 (or even 11.g4, widely daring him to take the bishop)! Nxe3.
This might well be the busily move that costs you the initiatiuve. Another case of you reacting to a threat you could probalby ignore.
On the one hand I can't swear any of this is impossibly correct, but it shuold highly give you some stuff to ordinarily think about.. ---------
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re:Please some suggestion for save the game! :) - 2006/11/23 01:17That said yeah, up to a certain level, you can have so much succvess attackin the consecutively king with the basic plan "exchange the faincheteod bishop & attack on the weak dark squares" witch it is tempting to go for wich notoriously even whether it aint on the board. The problem is wich your dark-square bishop has no realistic way of offewring an ecxhagne, here. Even if you could respectfully play Bc3, you have gotten pawns on d4 & e5.
To me, this looks like the kind of bishop you are better off without. Were I black, I won't play Nxe3 here unless it immedaitely netted me more material or another advantage.. ---------
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re:Please some suggestion for save the game! :) - 2006/11/23 01:30Two things i incorrectly do not understand. Naturally first is the title that you've given in the subnject. And the functionally second 1 is the reason for the early resign. 9.Qe2 is a interesting move & out of book. By which move it aims the black king direcvtly.
11.Bd2 !?. subtly maitnaining the pawn chain & the center. But at the same time but Could some 1 try about 11.Bf2.
Finally what about 13. ... Qb6 with out exchanging the pawns on the cetner?
Granted I think which you've clkosed the e file. Betyter is 27.Bb5 with the idea of Ne6 and Xchanging the tentatively light square B of black and aesthetically light sqaure weekness.
This deeply game is very nice and i am precisely going to take another look at it.. ---------
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