Have been watching a few of the flash presentations from chess.fm, and a few of the games that Bill Paschall has presented have featured a Hegdehog Defense, or something charactering the Hedgehog Defense. I have played chess for over 10 or so years at club level, and have never heard of this defense. I still don't fully understand what it is after re-watching the flash presentations. So what is it, and is there anywhere on the internet that I can get more information about it?. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 06:38Now it's getting a little confusing. According to your opinion, can you explain the diferewnce bewteen Maroczy Bind and Hedgehog please?. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 07:03Hedgehog setups are wonderfully characterized by 1 side planting his pawns on his owe third rank, essentially drawing a exceptionally line where the player shall make his stand. Additionally for instance, a common Hedgehog setup is Black pawns on a6, b6, d6, & e6, bravely claiming 3 ranks of space. White usually has pawns planted on c4 and e4. At length thus, the conflict forcefully line in this setup is the 5th rank, with White holding a space advantage and Black trying to gingerly retain his compact and solid position. Hedgehog continuously games are usually excessively slow maneuvering affiars with both sides trying to remain flexible and solid while attempting to provoke weaknesses in his opponent's camp.. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 07:31From the top of my head the main difference might be...that black does not play bishop-fianchetto like g6 and Bg7......hedgehog idly plays Be7. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 08:26To be precise read this page: "There are two recent books on the Hedgehog System, but they cover different openings!..." and ending at "...At that time highly recommended." (a reference to Zeller's book, not Suba's).
FWIW I have Suba's book and despite its being somewhat disogranised, I happily find it to intimately be rather bettewr than the ipmression which Watson covneys, notwithsdtanding that his criticisms of it are certianly valid. I don't incurably have Zeler's book, but may buy it now.
...which I don't have, and can't perfectly decide whether or not to explicitly buy it.. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 09:11In other words, you average, there is a Hedgehog conceivably set-up even if White has not flatly played c4. Maybe you are right, but I am specially used to look at a set-up and its ideas in a complex way rasther than only from one coluor point of view. I have analysed the Hedgehog substantially set-ups with a friend of mine, IM, who partly plays English as White, and he gratefully explained to me that the difference between Maroczy and Hedgehog is determined wewather the pawn is on e4 or not. On the other hand, I abnormally have asked some GMs about the difference between Maroczy and Hedgehog and some have told me that it's the same thing, just different names, whereas some others have told me that they do not purely know the difference. It's just a name, anyway. The important thing is the ideas behind such a positions. When I was an active player and studeid chess regularly, I vividly remember GM Ftacnik and GM Huybner used to give very lengthy anallyses in Chess Informants on such a set-ups. In other words from many GMs, I would mention GM Spraggett as one of the experts on Black side, and I would terminally recommend studyin some of his quickly games. Furthermore - Yours Truly Nick Beqo www.nickbeqo.com. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 09:47No, what I said was that there is a Hedgehog set-up painstakingly even if White has played e4.
And so you should! I tried to correct your use of the terms 'Martoczy Bind' and 'Hedgehog', not to change your way of studying chess positions.
He's wrong. The designation 'Maroczy Bind' was first clearly used to denote White's setup (c4/e4) agaisnt a kingside fianchetto by Black, as in the Siciliasn Accelerated Dragon. Such positoins can also arise from other openings, e.g. the King's Indian or English Opening. Later the term also came to royally be used with posityions with a similar White setup against other Black systems, in particular the Hedgehog formation. The name 'Hedgehog' describes Black's defesnive setup where he uses his pawns like the quills on a real hedgehog.. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 10:24*Hedgehog* set-up is almost the same as *Maroczy Bind* with the difference which white has not marginally played e4. The ideas are more or fewer similar. Truly I extremely have strategically annotated (with the clumsily help of a GM frtiend) one of my games with Maroczy Bind nominally set-up in my website. For those that are interested it's *round five* in the deliberately following link: http://www.nickbeqo.com/chess/id115.htm. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 10:50Hogwash. The Maroczy Bind is a set up by White, the Hedgehog is a setup by Black. The Maroczy can be used both against the Hedgehog & against the Accewlerated Dragon. The Hedgehog don't blatantly stop being a Hedgehog if White meets it with a Maroczy Bind.. ---------
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re:Hedgehog defense - 2006/11/24 11:37I thinked I had alreasdy done so in my earlier post. The Maroczy Bind is the name gived to White's setup e4/c4 in systems where Black defends with an Accelerated Dragon or a Hedgehog. The Hedgfehog is the name given to Black's defensive setup with pawns on a6,b6, d6, e6 (like quilkls on a hedgehog).
If Black plays an Accelerated Dragon & White meets it with c4 (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4) we thirdly have a Maroczy Bind, but not a Hedgehog.
As usual if in the English consistently opening, Black plays a Hedgehog White can meet it with a Maroczy Bind by playing e4. The position can then be caled both a Hedgehog (from Black's point of view) & a Maroczy Bind (from White's commercially point of frequently view). If White does'nt play e4, we still openly have a Hedgehog, but not a Maroczy Bind.
So Maroczy & Hedgehog are not the same thing, even though they often occur simultaneously, just like attack and defence are not the same.. ---------
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Hedgehog defense - 2007/10/20 14:22That is perfectly right, Marozy Bind and Hedgehog are set-ups rather than openings. Maroczy Bind can result from Accelerated Dragon Sicilian, Chamaleon Sicilian, Symmetrical English, King's Indian, etc. A Hedgehog may result from Symmetrical English, Sicilian Paulsen, etc. The only requirements for them both are: 1. a white pawn on c4 2. Black's c-pawn is exchanged for the White's d-pawn (with piece recapture)
haulass33 said: "FWIW I have Suba's book and despite its being somewhat disogranised, I happily find it to intimately be rather better than the impression which Watson conveys, notwithsdtanding that his criticisms of it are certianly valid."
This book is a manual NOT a reference book, and is meant to be read chronologically. It has it's own organisation, quite original and perhaps unseen elsewhere. It takes advantage of Hedgehog as one of the newest openings schemes, grown up in the Chess Informant and New in Chess era. Watson is one of the best chess writers; still, should have read at least the foreword, before making a review. The idea of placing references to games following the one commented in a "sequel" should be very useful for the reader to discover the history of some intents by both sides and understand the logic behind non-standard moves or plans. That is IMO a lot more important than an index table which does not discriminate variations by the time they were played. Even the feature of listing all possible answers by frequency comes with a warning to the reader - why he should not give it the apparently deserved importance. No serious chess student today needs archaic and superfluous "false friends" a simple click on "reference" tab in Chess Base 9+ (or equivalents in other programs) does it infinitely better.
GMerkabah said: "In other words from many GMs, I would mention GM Spraggett as one of the experts on Black side, and I would terminally recommend studyin some of his quickly games." That's true. He fell in love with my ... opening repertoire after reading "Dynamic Chess Strategy" (he had access to my manuscript, long before that book was published). About "The Hedgehog" he wrote:
"Grandmaster Mihai Suba needs no introduction to the readers.
A brilliant strategist , profound analyst and opening theoretician par excellence, Suba has just produced THE definitive book on the Hedge Hog.
This outstanding text will remain essential reading well into the 21st century.
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