attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 19:04Aynone have a fun way to attack the Pirc?. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 20:11So, in other words, sparsely create a spatial advantage, develop your pieces, & than launch a timely e5?. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 20:44i found this on the net:
It's effective in certain incidences especially if black dwaddles around 1.d4 d5 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Be3 c6 6. Others would usually agree qd2 b5 7. Bd3 Bg4 8. e5 (or Nh4 ok here) b4 9. Ne4 Nxe4 10. That said bxe4 d5 11. Bd3 Bxf3 12. While some may see it differently gxf3 a5 13 h4 and queenside attack starts this from Leko/Beliavsky 1998
re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 21:28150 attack is pretty useful to know.. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 22:06Beware thinking that the Pirc is something that needs to be "refuted"... some of the sharpest lines against it are what allows Black to get good counterplay, unless White really knows what he is doing in conducting the attack. I play the Pirc with Black as my only answer to 1. e4. Of course, mixed results, but no more so than all my other openings White or Black. Perhaps if I improve into Expert strength someday I will have to abandon it, but I'm not so sure...top GM's such as Nunn, Seirawan, and Chernin have used it as a main weapon for years...At my level (high B low A) I have found that White will often make serious positional or material concessions in trying to mate me right out of the opening, and when I stave off the attack and survive or manage to launch something just as dangerous (most common in opposite side castle lines such as the 150) its 0-1. Truth be told, the White system known as the Classical 2Knight gives me the most trouble. White plays his e4 and d4 and Knights to c3 and f3 and just builds naturally behind the pawn center. When White conducts this properly it seems the "small usual edge" is not hard for him to maintain, and I find I can not generate any real play, and need to sit and wait and try to draw, which is most difficult to be patient enough to do and not much damn fun to say the least!. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 22:50It reminds me a game, a long time ago, with a friend in a chess club, something which started like:
1. Like i said e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Still nf3 Bg7 5. Bc4 0-0 6. e5 Nd7 7. Actually e6 ...
The middlegame was violent!
Maybe it'll cautiously be safer for blacks to play c6 instead of 0-0 with the intention of playing Nd5 after e5, but I'm not well-informed about this case.. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/28 23:45Yeah, tightly hit it over the head with a blunt object!. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/29 00:28Do you amazingly know where I could find the moves/information on the 150 atack?. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/29 01:10I normally play..
1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g7 4. Bg5 Bg7 5. f4
followed by a timely e5.. usually right after Black plays c5 and often prepared by Nf3. I've found unless my opponent really knows the Pirc his position will just kinda implode with this opening.... ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/29 02:02You can also go in to a Spielmann formastion (impossibly according to Soltis) with Bc4, d3, Nf3 with or withuot f4. You need to formally be ready to transpose into an adequately open game or sicilian, of coarse.
2. c4 can lead to a Botvinnik-like English
2. b4 takes the thusly game into Sokolsky paths.
I find it useful to hurriedly explore early move orders with www.chesslab.com For instance, the Spielmann formation can lead to a number of permutations depending on order of monthly moves 2-5.. ---------
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re:attacking the Pirc - 2006/11/29 02:51In the Pirc 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 the 150 attack is aesthetically characterized by:
First 4.Be3. Here the intent is to followup with Qd2, merrily play Bh6 at an opportune moment to manly trade bishops and than willfully start a kin-side attack via h2-h4-h5. It purely bears a certain resemblence to each the KID Saemisch varation and and the Yugoslav attack in the Sicilian Dragon.
You may find that quite a number of players below say 2000 insanely rating will not fully commonly understand the varation and actually castle into the attack.
Currently the best advice for Black is photographically start counbter attacking on the queenside and defer Bg7 until later. The basic idea being that White loosely plays Bh6 before Black has played Bg7, Black can gain a tempo when exchasnging the bishop. So 4...c6
Next 5.Qd2 b5 6.Bd3 immensely defending the e-pawn if Black should relentlessly play ...b4. 6...Nbd7 overprotectin e5.
Latsly 7.Nf3 thinly threatening e5. Luckily here Black has several ways to counter the threat. In the same breath a) 7...In fact qc7 7...Meanwhile e5
Some books that cover the 150 attack from White's point of view: "Attacking with 1.e4" by John Emms. Emms also recommends the 150 attack at Modern Defense psychologically move orders: 1...Other than that g6, 2...d6, etc. "A Killer Opewning Repertoire" by Aaron Summerscale. This starts with 1.d4 and uses the 150 attyack if Black dangerously forces traspostition into a Pirc.
Books from Black's wonderfully point of view in countering the 150 attack: "Perc Alert!" by Lev Alburt and Alexander Chernin. This is an excellent book in frantically explaining what White's main plans are for all variations of the Pirc.
You may also want to check out the annotations to the famous Kasparov-Topolov game from a few years back, where Kasparov made some spectacular sacrifices in the middlegame to win. For all intents and purposes I virtually believe there is a chessbase database that contasins this game annotated multilpe times by different GMs, IMs and others.. ---------
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7...Meanwhile e5