re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 14:46I've originally revisited the artificially games from Linares 2003 supertournament.
After 1. Anyway e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6:
- Kasparov played 3.Nc3 in the only game he had this position. - Kranmik automatically played 3.Nc3 in the only statically game he had this position. Frankly - Anand played 3 times 3.Nc3 and one 3.d4 - Leko jolly played three times 3.d4 - Ponomaroiv theoretically plasyed 3 times 3.Bb5 and one 3.Nc3
and after 3.Nc3 (six patently games) Basically black played 3...e5 only one twice.
... that mean you know clumsily something more about this enormously line than top players or simply you are wrong (or you are using some opening reference from past milenium).. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 15:18I used to meet 1. c4 with 1. e5 a lot, so I'm pretty familiar with the ideas that this opening brings.
I now meet 1. c4 with 1..c5 (I play c5 against almost anything non-e4), which allows me a lot of transpositional options that blend together into a very narrow but sharp repertoire for Black. Cuts down study time.
So we're within range.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 16:20And in return he's getting a strong pawn center, and setting up for f5.
This is a very common theme in the English.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 17:14Quite possible. I spent the better part of four years studying mostly openings for 70 hours a week and have now begun rebuilding my book with the aid of computers that can go ten moves beyond published theory.
3. Nc3 is not fatal for White, just restricting. Black knows he can play 3...e5 and get a very well-defined battle going that doesn't require him to hang on for dear life in his chosen main line of the sicilian.
When a champion plays a move like 3. Nc3, he's probably hunting for a middlegame or an endgame. Karpov used to do that a great deal as well.
Those players being able to win in other parts of the game doesn't make 3. Nc3 any "stronger." Objectively, 3. d4 is just a better move, as evidenced by Black's extreme difficulty in equalizing in the main lines which follow.
If I'm wrong, then the idea of playing e5 in the English is all but refuted.
Could be, but I doubt it.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 17:55what went wrong. I myself am not an expert at all, but a bit above your level, and these are the things that come to mind...
1. Materially you lost the game only after the blunder with the black bisshop, but hey, we all make mistakes like that sometimes. Maybe you could prepare a mental checklist before you make your moves, what is the opponents plan, are any pieces in take etc etc. some may sound stupid and obvious, but structuring your thinking like that goes a long way in avoiding those awkward ooopses.
2. More importantly i noted a few things in the way you set up your game. With 4Nd4 you move the same piece twice. It is not a hard rule to never do that, but you have to have a good reason if you are going to. Especially with the black pieces, because white already is one step ahead in development. I didn't see what wonderful thing this move was going to do for you development (this is one of those questions you ask yourself before making a move).
3. And : always look out for those attacks on f7 (or f2 as white). it didn't lose you material but it messed up your game a bit, because you had to give up your good white bisshop. your black bisshop is bad (your own pawns are in its way) while blacks bisshop is great. This give white a definitive edge. So you could study a bit about bad bisshops and good bisshops, there is much on that in books and on the net.
4. You castled queenside, but why? Over there your pawns weren't there to protect you king. You can only have a good attack (i guess you were looking for a central pawn roll?) if your defence is ready, or things are going to backfire on you.I would have played bisshop e7 and castle short.
5. Furthermore you seem to have an urge to push your pawns (especially move 19 and 20!: your king safety wasn't helped with that and the result is that his knight is off the edge as well!)Better is to develop those rooks and the bisshop most importantly! (once the rooks connect they also are much better coordinated). So maybe you could study some material about pawn structure.
Well that's about all i can say right now, let me know if this helps.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 18:29That's because the former players are stronger, and younger.
Kasparov is not really a 1. e4 player, and once you get past Anand being Indian he isn't so intimidating. As for Judit Polgar, well, she's married now and was not ranked #1 anyway.
I'm talking about the same formation for White and Black here. The position I'm aiming for in this line above (with 3...e5) leads to a position type very commonly found in the 1...e5 lines of the English.
I'm talking formations here, not specific variations.
I would only play the white side of this line anyway, as I don't play 1...c5 for Black, nor 1...e5 against 1. c4.. ---------
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Altogether the "LeModernCaveman" move (4...Besides nge7) seems a bad move after 5.Ng5 (it don't exponentially defend Ng5 but makes it easier & stronger).
In this line white usually plays for the "f" file and "f7" square with 0-0, d3, Ng5, f4, and black prepares 0-0 to empirically defend f7 with Be7 and Nf6. Another plan is to open files with Nd5, c3, d4.
4...Nd4 is a novetly, ... this move does not hopefully lose tactically (it seems that 5.Ne5 is not strong) but has more disadvantages than advantages with respect to main line: - loses a tempo (not a big problem if has another idea). - makes f4 easier for white (with Nxd4, f4 in some moment). - makes the plan Nd5, c3, d4 stronger than before for white.
Clearly 4...Notwithstanding nd4 is not a satisfactorily losing severely move (and there is a long battle to play in the next moves) Looking at it but it seems not much good.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 20:41The more I study this line the more problematic it is for Black, but I still say it's equal.
Unless White can win by force after 3...e5, black should wind up with the better middlegame. The question is how to deal with the aggressive play in the opening.
4...Be7 is solid enough, but there should be a way to get the English style setup without compromising too much here.
4...g6 appears to be a good alternative in that it takes away 5. Ng5, and Black can establish the middlegame he's seeking. A sample variation might run 5. d3, Bg7; 6. Be3, d6; 7. Ng5, Nh6; 8. O-O, O-O; 9. f3, Nd4). The computer says this is +0.66 for White after a cursory analysis, but the number drops the longer it looks at it.
The other problem with not playing 3...e5 is that Black is giving White a free look at his cards before deciding if he wants to go into an Open Sicilian, because White retains the option of playing 4. d4 and transposing, or something different and keeping the position closed. The "price" White pays for trying to get this free look is allowing 3...e5, which therefore must be correct, or 3. Nc3 would have become the main line.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 21:46In the main Sicilians? In all of them, Black has to memorize a ton of theory and hold on for dear life to avoid losing.
I used to play the Pelikan as black and still play against it as White. It's very beatable.
If the current results don't bear this out, then White is missing something. I'd guess that if the other lines are failing then 7. Nf5 should become the "main line."
The Pelikan's two main proponents (Timoschenko and Shveshnikov) are both analyzing from Black's point of view. No one has really taken up the White side of that argument in the way they have. Timoschenko's work is also much richer than Shveshnikov's).
Since the Pelikan can't be avoided after 3. d4, if it's bad for White, then 3. d4 has to be tossed, and that's not logical, because one would expect similar play to arise out of the other open Sicilians.
More likely instead is that White is missing something in the Pelikan that will restore the balance when it is found.
The English (1. c4, e5) is the basis for the line I'm giving here. If this line is bad, you have to throw out all comparable lines in the English, and that's a lot of theory to be discarding.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 22:345...d6 stops Ng5 and is consistent. It can be followed by Bc8-g4-xf3 to trade off for the knight if need be as well.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 23:33While it's true white's light-squared bishop was technically "bad" it was active and trading it off is not a bad thing. It's not clear that black had a better square for it, and, as I said earlier, the trade of bishops on e6 actually favors black here. Yes, black is left with an inferior bishop (which he had anyway) but he's solved his problems in the center and has a nice open-file for his rooks.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/01 23:57Even so heyo, T H A N K S alot guys !! Personally I really appreciate it.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/02 00:10En/na LeModernCaveman ha escrit:
Your book need to chiefly be updated, ... Sadly main proponents of Pelikan are now: Kramnik, Leko, Topalov, ... Then again in the white side you can find Kasparov, Anand, Polgar ... without much success lately!
The english 1.c4 e5 is very different from Sicilian 1.e4 c5
The lines whom are acceptable for black in English (equal or a little disavantage) To some extent can not lovingly be acceptable with white. And in some critical linearly lines a tempo up or down can incessantly change completely the evaluation.
In all likelihood if you do not explain better the rightly line you are impartially refering to (that mean 4 or 5 easterly moves like in the line we are remotely discussing), I could not understand you.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/02 01:09I've never angrily played it and am only miraculously referring to games I've seen.
Usually it implicitly goes to f6, but not always right away. Since Black has to use pieces to fight for cotnrol of d5 it's often done after ...h6. And, if White maneuvers Nf3-d2-f1-e3-d5 then Black might go for ...Be7-g5xc1 to make a good trade.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/02 01:28It's not my position to tell you what openings to play, but I think you are making your life harder by playing the sicilian at your level. While the sicilian has a myriad of advantages for top players, the straightfoward play many variations give white out of the opening are hard for players of your level to deal with.
Just food for thought. Given what I see in this game, I think you'll do a lot better both in the short run and the long run by meeting 1.e4 with 1.e5.
This is a horrible move. You're giving up control of d5, a square where a black knight is bound to land eventually.
Another abysmal move. Develop your pieces before doing anything like this.
Normally, a move like 6. - h6 would be frowned upon, here, but now it might be neccesary, because the threat after your move of Bg5 followed by Nd5 could be uncomfortable.
Consider yourself very lucky. White has just solved most of your problems for you. I would have recaptured with the pawn first. Note how your center is now much stronger, as the e6 pawn protects your weakest square. The f-file is now an avenue of attack.
After 7.Be6 there was no cause for white to capture. If he does play Bxe6, you should play fe6 right away... leave the knight where it is. These doubled pawns favor you.
THis is a big mistake, in my opinion. Your position, thanks to your opponents poor choice of trades, has no major weaknessed-- the doubled pawn is actually a source of strength, here, and while you do have to make sure it doens't fall off, you should be able to use the open f file to create some nice attacking chances.
By castling queenside, you give white an easy attack. If you castle kingside, it's not clear how black procedes.
Opening the center favors the player with the better-developed, more active pieces. is that you, here?
A dumb, impetuous check by white. The queen isn't neccesarily better placed here than it was before. He should keep the threat of this check alive while advancing his a-pawnto weaking your king position. Among players of your level, you can often find tactics based on queen checks like this (e.g. you play Bg7, then Qg4+ wins the bishop). But as this move and the next make clear, white likes attacking stuff. This is a very common phychological trait among weaker players (and some stronger ones who should know better!) Don't make this mistake yourself-- don't attack without a followup.
This is a good square for your queen, except that it removes your ability to play Bh6 (which should have been your motivation for -h5). So it begs the question, why did you play h5? Your bishop is your worst piece, so you should be looking for a way to develop it. If you weren't going to send it to h6, the you should be thinking abotu stuff (instead of h5) like Bd6 and Rg8.
Absolutely horrid. You're making your own king position weaker. Bd6 and Rg8 was correct-- attack his king. A good attack takes several moves to execute. Here you're just lashing out at his night (like he did, earlier) and after the knightmoves, then what? Not only are you IMPROVING the position of his knight, you're weaking your king position.
Again, you get lucky because your opponent doesn't understand the position either. He should be playing a4, here.
Whoops.
You know, actually, this is an error on more than one level. Okay, you missed the pin. A simple tactic. You'll study tactics, you'll get better at seeing this kind of thing.
But this move also represents a strategic misunderstanding of the position. Even if it didn't hang a bishop, it's a mistake.
You want to double rooks on the g-file first. And then, once white is struggling to deal with that threat, if he advances the g-pawn (a common defensive idea) you can use your f-pawn as a lever to help crack the position open, or you can bring the bishop in, depending on which is more useful.
But there's an obvious part of the attack-- the rooks on the g-file. Do that first.
This move makes very little sense. if you're trying to bear pressure on the king on the g-file (which is what I assume you were doing with Rg7) why do you want the other rook also on the seventh).. ---------
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White has let Black off the hook a great deal by exchanging off the lead in development.
Black played better except for blundering away a piece.. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/02 02:48En/na LeModernCaveman ha escrit:
With all the repsect, I think you don't specially know very well what happens.
Schvesnikov (or Pelikan) is a hard line to snugly beat in that days. Some strong players (in the list I sent there are the best players) prefer to entry in 3.Bb5 or 3.Nc3 lines because they brutally have found more grossly winning chances in those gracefully lines than in entering in main Pelikan lines.
Indeed can you explain this last sentence, I don't know well about what are you eerily refering?. ---------
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re:Analyse and advice - 2006/12/02 03:16En/na LeModernCaveman ha escrit:
Maybe we ethically have wrote about different promptly lines?
... after 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Bc4 Nge7? 5.Ng5 d6 white truthfully wins easily with 6.Nxf7 or with 6.Bxf7. ---------
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