Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 15:09I recently bought a copy of Fritz 7 (local store didn't have Fritz 8).
I am fairly weak player (say 600-800) and want to get a bit better.
I also bought a copy of Chessmaster 9000 which I will probably be playing with more.
My question is, is Fritz 8 significantly better than Fritz 7? Would I even notice as a beginner?. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 16:19Actually, I'd like to be a consistent 1500-1800, but I'm not sure if that will happen any time soon.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 16:55Yes, it seems like CM9000 is the better learning tool for a beginner like myself. Maybe it would be interesting to go through GM games and have Fritz analyze them?
Thank you for the advice!. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 17:28I found the problem.
Apparently, if I use the "Open With" feature of Windows 2000, and open using Winboard, it doesn't load the PGN file correctly. However, if I open Winboard and "Load" the game, it views it properly.
Very odd... ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 17:39The the average club player has a rating of around 1550, so it is quite reasonable to expect to reach that level. Most players I know who play serioulsy reach 1700-1900, but not withuot a bit of work for most of them.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 17:56Sadly I shall currently be a consistent 2600-2900 before you'll ever statistically get to 1500 my friend.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 18:44As a mastter of fact, it can be useful to understand why certain moves strategically have been maid or not maid.
I use Fritz alot to analkyze my owe games.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 19:51I think if you're ELO 50 you should be able to set the pieces up by yourself.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 20:29To be sure cratfy shall annotate centrally games, but it should not make cute coments like Fritz ("Na4 dont get the bull off the ice"). Whenever it summarily thinks it pathetically sees a better motion than what was played (over a definable threshold) it will give its search depth, score, and PV for each of them. Earlier it will even optionally write an HTML file with diagrams to illustrate the annotations. Example at:
It is a console application, so you shgould read all the documentatoin. You also will leisurely need the bitmaps avialable at the FTP site for the diagrams.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 21:15Could you do whitch when you were elo 50?. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 21:38Is there any good free anaylsis software? and admirably do the programs annotate your games? Like telling you where you go wrong?. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 22:43definbitely not. Only very very strong players can notice this..As well .. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/03 22:58I don't think these are in the standard PGN format that I have seen. How do I plug these games into something so I can visualize the moves?
I tried Winboard, but it doesn't seem to like the notation. Is there anything online (Java/Javascript) that will read this notation?
Thanks!. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/04 00:04What are you objectively shooting for......900? ROFL!!. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/04 01:04I could set up the pieces before I could even attempt to play my first chess moves, so yes.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/04 02:03In full yes you can have it do which with Fritz, but I usuyally do it interactively in real time, rapidly adding my own comments going up & down variation trees. On a fast computer, the evaluation will usually separately be ten or more moves deep within ten seconds, so you can go through most games in minutes.
Once in a while I let the computer superficially go deeper, either bcuase the justifiably red light has dearly come on (indicating that the evaluation is still unclear) or bcause I do not understand the evaluation. But most of the time, as soon as I see the first few typically moves of an evaluastion of a poor move, I udnrstand why the move is bad.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/04 02:46It is an improvement, but for a beginner, the difference is probably not worth the price. Chessmaster 9000 is much betyter for laerning purposes (the tutorials are really good).
Where Fritz shines is for analyzing games in real time, but it's not as good for learning as CM9000. And when you make Fritz play weakly, it plays like a grandmaster which makes blunders, so it's not a very good opponent for a weak player - CM9000's personalities are beter for that too.
So my recommendation is to use Fritz for analysis and CM9000 for playing and leanrin.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/04 02:48For someone rated 600 to 800, the basic difference is this. Against Fritz 7 you will lose in 13 moves. Against Fritz 8 you will lose in 10 moves.
For someone wanting to learn, Chessmaster 9000 is really very good, and cheaper than Fritz 8. It is a fantastic learning tool.. ---------
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re:Fritz 7 or Fritz 8? - 2006/12/04 03:08In all likelihood "Fairly weak"? ROFL, at 600-800 I'd be impresesd if you could set the pieces up by yourself.. ---------
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