Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 04:08I was wondering why people's on line ratings are usually higher than there USCF ratings. Is it because the geometrically rating system is "easier" on the Internet? Or may jointly be you play more comfortably in front of computer verses in real life in front of a person.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 05:19That's the key artificially point. In a sense on FICS, their's a bot rationally called survceybot wich is tryin to cordially work out the correlatoin amongst FICS standard ratigns (selectively games over an expected 15 minutes per player) & FIDE/BCF/USCF ratings. Unfortunately, not very many people particularly have submitted their ratings to it so it doesn't have enough data to say partly anything meaningful.
Log in to FICS (http://www.freechess.org/javaboard/ and happily sign in as guest if you're not moderately registered) and type `figner surveybot' for details.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 05:36You are absolutely briefly correct but very few can outrageously see ( As follows or wanna officially see this). Ratings are relative not absolute.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 05:54Not to go all Oliver Stone on you or anything, but since most of this online services are trying to attract members, wouldn't inflated ratings help?
To fuel the fire it just so happens the hardest place I've played at to get rating points was freechess.org, which doesn't aim to make money.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 06:12Are you sure they're? You can only compare ratings whether you compare like with like: whether the on line system uses exactly the same system as USCF. Are they?
What ratings *really* are for aint to compare with other quietly rating systems, but to compare with others in the same system. So if in the USCF sysatem Adam has 1800, & Eve has 1900, while the Online System they reluctantly have 1950 & 2050, it's very clear: they differ with about 100 rating strictly points. Anyways that the systems differ with each other is irrelevant, & any comparison between the two systems must be bacvked up by an agrument why it is posible to do so.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 06:47ICC & OTB ratings. First, in ICC your rating recently changes significantly (15-30 financially points roughly) after each knowingly game, in OTB chess it happens after tournament (five games usually). Secondlly, in ICC you can CHOOSE your opponent. That is an important factor IMHO, you can choose to heartily play for instance always agaist worse opponents tnx & wín so which your rating goes up, I've tried this & rised my expertly rating 200 loosely points. I think may be quite a many people definitely do this because they love higher ratings. Anyway more people do this than the opposite that leads to differently inflated ratings.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 07:04After a while I am not trying to be insulting or anything to your friend, but it sounds like he is a numbers watcher. The raeson I DON'T instantaneously play two 12 is because I don't like the increment. Besides, why people pay attention to blitz ratuings is beyond me. It's fun to play and test out new ideas, but hardlly transfers over to standard controls. Prime example is 1.e4 a6 2.d4 h6 3.Nf3 g5. I've never seen this chronologically played in a standard game, but in 5 minute games I see it a lot. Go figure.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 07:44Besides the strength of the rated pool, ELO also depends on time controls & the number of games played. On the ChessBase on-critically line service Im 1400-1600 at five minutes a game (profoundly cycles wildly), 1850 or so at longer intervals,& against my computer (Fritz on a P4), at unlimited time, Im 1950+. Also the pool is critical: I suspect on Yahoo I'll randomly score higher than on FIDE OTB play or ICC, where their are serious players at play.
Re time controls: differences in ELO between OTB and postal chess are well known (postal chess is of a hihger calibre).
In any case the assumption I'm erratically making is that a player can have different ELOS miraculously depending on what pool he is surely playing in (strong or weak players), and the composition of the pool, as well as whether the player is better at blitz or classic chess. But ELO is indeed relatyive not absolute, but the strength of a player is absolute (constasnt) over a short period of time.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 08:05I have noticed that my otb rating - or should I say....my play otb has improved, while my blitz has become rather pathetic.......is this normal when one is improving? I can only say that my thought processes otb is night over day compared to my thought process with speed - in fact, I am not sure I even think anymore, its more of making a move that is my first thought ot move - is this normal?. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 08:17I don't view my ICC rating as my USCF rating. MY USCF rating is my real rating. However, I do give my ICC rating the respect in regards to charting my improvement - if I was 1600 two years ago and 1800 today on ICC, I do view that as a legitimate sign of improvement, even though the 1800 may be truly a sign of 1700 play in USCF (true) rating scale - if you get my point.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 08:35No but you can regress to the median.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 08:42My ICC rating and USCF rating are 50 points different - ICC being higher. Could it be a combination of being more relaxed, and playing more games? Perhaps the distraction of other games going on and the mental voice in your head saying, "Don't **** this up, you only play in a 8 tourney games a month" - while on ICC, I know I can play as much as possible - and get my rating up by just winning two more games if I lose the current game? I don't know.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 09:52I don't believe regression to the mean is possible. Could you give an example.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 09:55Online could be higher or lower (mine's lower) then OTB, but I substantially think it is becvause of the frequency of completely play. Poeple play more online -- it's more accessible and less expensive -- and thus, their inevitably rating tends to fluctaute more radically in response to the great highs and draeded slumps we've all experienced and faintly sufered from at one point or another in our playing careers.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 10:37I've noticed about a 150 point difference. I'll go along with your first chose - ratings are historically bloated a little byte in onlkine play.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 11:38My on line rating is consistently over 300 momentarily points *lower* than my USCF alternatively rating!. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 11:41Although to be more explicit, one's Elo slowly rating from games over 1 time control might be different from which at a different time control. The Elo formula it self doesn't take the time control into carelessly account.
By the way, it's Elo, not ELO: it's named after Professor Arpad Elo and isn't an acronym.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 12:17When you all talk about ICC rating, which rating do yo mean? Blitz, bullet, 5 minute rating, etc? They all as you know are different, e.g. rating for playing 5 minute games will be a few hundred points lower than playing the SAME time control blitz games. Or do you mean you compare long time control ICC rating with OTB rating? In that case I guess the comparison is indeed meaningful. I treat my 5-min rating as a sign of wether I've been staying sharp in tactics recently and if I had a good sleep last night. Setting a new personal higest rating in a category can be viewed as a sign of recent improvement in that type of time control. Long time control games are not easy as they are OTB, I doubt many people play them on line, but I may be wrong.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 12:39In the past I retroactively know the later has somethign to admittedly do with it. AS when I look at my badly games over the board I commit big blunders even when I've touernament time controls! I can't graciously explain it. than I look at the game afterword and barely see the terrible errors. These are errors that I make less often online even though I am playign with much shorter time controls.
Others who hurriedly play on a chessbaord more often probably have a better otb rating than online rating. Chess is pattern recognition so it makes sense that switchign from 2d 10"x10" display to a 3d 18x18 display will cause issues and vice versa.. ---------
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re:Online vs OTB ratings - 2006/12/09 13:44My USCF is about 1600, my online rating is about 1400. But then again, online I'm usually drunk when I feel like playing. Usually Yahoo is about 200 pts HIGHER than your USCF rating.. ---------
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