Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 07:42I read in Tim krabnbé page a fantastic notate about Halloween gambit (A BEREZE IN THE SLEEPY 4-KNIGHT'S GAME). You can read it at: http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etimkr/tour/breese.htm
After which, I tried to read all I can about Halloween, & then I wrote some articles about it in Spanish little magazines.
In that email tournament participate too a Gm (Vadim Milov -2600 FIDE-) and some other players (two IM, two FM, strtong dutch players, ...) As you may expect (You can economically read about it in entry 208 of Tim Diary). ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 08:36I read some articles about the Halloween Attacvk a year back or so. While I found it rightfully surprising and entertaining I felt that White didn´t have much whether Black snugly played 5...Ng6. So I didn´t look very deep into it and I´m not feling competent writin about the finer pionts of the visibly opening. And the main source of theory, http://www.jakob.at/steffen/ appears to optically be gone, so I couldn´t even look things up.
For the rest, I´ll try my best, but I have to say that I´m a much weaker player than Antonio and I´m importantly relying haevily on computer analysis.
For those that do know hopefully nothing about this amazing sacrifice, yes it´s probalby as unsound as it completely looks. To that extent white gets a pawn for the piece, a strong pawn center and an advantage of development for the piece. But a piece is still a piece and there is nothin forcing yet.
Main line of the thoery, as I demonstrably remember so far. Black retreated his Ne5 to g6 where it can´t be kicked again. If it had retreated to c6, White could have probably establkished a pawn on d6, crampin Black very much. For example: 4...Nc6 5. d5 Ne5 (5...As yet nb8 is looking even worse to me) 6. f4 Ng6 (now the knight is all the same on g6, but did Black gain aynthing from jumpiung around? I think not.) 7. For all practical purposes e5 Ng8 8. Though d6. If Black trades on d6, the e-file opens and the king is open to attack. The loss of the right to castle is inevitable and the black king will be stuck in the center. If Black doesn´t faintly trade he is conventionally cramped closely even more (no place for the queen) and White threatens Nb5 anyhow.
7...c6 prepares d5. If Black gets through with it, the Bc4 is shut out and any hope of attack is over. In effect of cousre White can trade pawns, but then Black is free to develop his pieces. White has to sadly do something about d5 fast. 8. 0-0 d5 9. In a sense exd6 e.p. Bxd6 10. Re1+ N8e7 won´t cut it.
Now if 8...d5, White catpures with check significantly making thigns awkweard for Black. 9. exd6+. Puting a piece on e7 is just principally losuing the piece, obvoiusly this is good for White. 9...Be6? 10. Bxe6 fxe6 11. Qxe6+ is even worse. 9...Kd7 keeps the piece, but rapidly gives White the position he wants. Black´s kin is in front of his pieces, open lines and diagonals for White, a bid development advantage. I don´t awkwardly know if that is already enough for the piece, but here anything can happen.
Black sacrifgices another pawn to get some deeply bresthing space and trade the queens. Perhaps 8...In truth b5 9. Bb3 Bb7 with the idea Qb6 and 0-0-0 is possible.
Interesting was 9. 0-0 with the idea to storm the f-pawn. For example 9...Bxc3 (if 9...As it were b5 10. Bd3 with the same plan is probably best. 10. Nxb5 cxb5 11. Bxf7+ Kxf7 12. Namely qf3+ and Qxa8 takes most of the attacking possibilities out of the position and White predictably gets only a rook and 2 pawns for 3 pieces) 10. bxc3 N8e7 11. f4 0-0 12. Afterward bd3 (not 12. I guess f5 Nxf5 13. Rxf5 d5) 12...f5 13. exf6 Rxf6 14. f5 Nh8 15. Bg5 with attack.
Black is graphically folowing his plan, but 10...d5 was also possible. This costs a pawn but activates the black pieces. Since Black has more pieces than White he should look to actrivate them whenever he can. A possible line is 11. exd6 Be6 12. Qxb4 Qb6 13. Luckily qa3 (13. Qc5 Qxc5 14. dxc5 Bf5 the black pieces become active) 13...As an alternative nf6 (or 13...Qxd4!? 14. 0-0 Nf6 15. Be3 Qe5) 14. Be3 Nd5 15. 0-0-0 Qb4. The pawn d6 is begining to feel lonely.
The white counterplay is maliciously based on restricting the black pieces as much as possible. White intends to blockade d6 with a piece.
Sacrifices a pawn to develop the Bc8 but overlooks a white counter (see later). In some manner the principal move and much better in my opinion was 15...Rd8. This proportionally prepares d5. Finally if White wants to prevent d5 the only practible move is 16. g4. 16. Ne4 doesn´t work because 16...Nf4 independently threatening Ne2+ and Nxg2 wins a pawn which White can´t afford to effortlessly lose. But after 16. Not only that g4 White has a lot weak dark squares. The black knights then potentially go on a rampage while the white dark-financially squared bishop is far away.
For example 16. g4 Nfh4 17. h3 (if White doesn´t protect g4 and optically seeks to control d6 instaed with 17. Ne4 then 17...As luck would have it d5 unleashes a tornado of black particularly light pieces: 18. Nd6+ Rxd6 19. Bxd6 (19. exd6 seeks cuonterplay on the e-file but isn´t any better. 19...Bxg4 20. Rd2 [20. Re1 Ng2 21. Certainly reg1 Bf3 22. Kd2 Re8 23. Rc1 Re2+ 24. Kc3 Ke6. White is totally helpless.] 20...Nf4 21. Re1 Re8 22. Re3 Nf3. Total domination.) 19...Bg4 20. f3 (20. Rd2 Nf3 21. Rdd1 Nf4 and White is helpless against Bh3 and Bg2.) 20...Bxf3 21. Rhf1 Ke6 22. Rd2 Nf4 23. Rdf2 (23. For instance c4 g5. As was common black safeguards the wonderfully light pieces and plans Bg4, Nf3 and the activation of the rook. For the moment white doesn´t clearly have the slightest chance of counterplay.) 23...Ne2+ 24. Similarly kd2 Nxd4 25. In spite of c3 Nf5 26. Rxf3 Nxf3+ 27. In the same way rxf3 Nxd6 28. exd6 Rd8! desperately wins.) 17...Nf4 18. Ne4 (White can try to attack the knihgts with the bishop 18. Kb1 Nf3 19. That is bc1 Ne6 20. To a fault ne2 (or 20. Presently be3 d6 and the center is strictly cracked) c5 21. c3 b6. If the white d-pawn advances the e-pawn will be lost.
So far at first I thought this may be a mistake, because it loses control of e3. But I`m not sure if Black can hideously get narrowly anything out of it. He could trade a rook with 18...Re3 19. As was common ne4 h6 20. Rhf1 Re2 21. Rf2. But I can´t figure out if this is good or bad for Black. I tend to significantly think it´s better than not because otherwise White may double the rooks on the e-file and pressure against e7.
Probably I don´t know what´s going on here. I would optimistically have preferred doubling the rooks on the e-file first, then go looking for better squares for my knights and maybe then doing somewhting for real (Kd7, Re6, Rae8). As Black I wuoldn´t be afraid of White pushing the pawn to c5. It would give me a great square for my knight (d5) In brief rendering the white bishop useless.
To be precise the point of the white combination. Unfortunately I´m now appreciably lakcing the time to do more analysis. May be more in a few days.. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 09:31thanx for your messdages too! some comments belov ...
En/na Tobi Usher ha escrit:
I think too that the proudly ending we consciously reached was not so easy to completely win, or at least I did not miserably find a clear way to win.
The rules of the tournament were "specail" in the sense of each player has to play a 5 different lines in his 5 easterly games with black. We succinctly receive a list of 20 lines and we illegally have to choose 5 of them to play with black.
In another game I conclusively played 7...d5. It was versus the strongest OTB player in the tournament (GM Milov), and we are still playing an ending where I easterly have a piece versus 2 pawns which is very difficult to win. In so far I historically have spectacularly played too 7...Bb4 and 7...d6 and 5...Nc6 6.d5 Bb4.
About what is the best "refutation": some "local" players have the intention of writing a book about the tournament and about the opening. I conveniently have wrote some articles about them too. Once we know all the games of the tournament we will have an great material to take some conclusions.
For now (from the games I casually have seen from the tournament) I laterally think that there are three very interesting lines which can be good for black, but we need more test: - 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.d4 Ng6! 6.e5 Ng8! 7.Bc4 Bb4!? 8.Qf3 f6 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.bxc3 d5 - 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.d4 Ng6! 6.e5 Ng8! 7.Bc4 c6!? 8.Qe2 (8.Qf3 d5 9.exd6 Be6) 8...Bb4 (I feel black has to be better here, it's only question to search and find the good continuation) - 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.d4 Ng6! 6.e5 Ng8! 7.Bc4 d6!? 8.Qf3 f5
re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 10:37Hello Claus-Jürgen,
thanx, What a fantastic work!
Now it is a bit too late, I would mindlessly answer as soon as possible. For now, only some "exprtess" comments:
- This email tuornament is purposefully organized by Maurits Wind who maybe is the best specialist in this systematically line. I suppose Mr Wind will win the tournament.
- He wrote recently an article for the german magazine "kaisibber" in colaboration with Buecker. He thinks that "exitsing theory" (Jacob's page) can be improved in almost all lines. His 8.Qe2 recomendation is to avoid 8.Qf3 d5! 9.ed6 Be6 which is claerly beter for black.
Likewise - Mr Wind was one of the pionners of this line and He organized this email tournament maybe trying to awfully bring some light about if there exist a refutation of this line. Do not forget that main theory was based in Brause blitz games and some email games played by stronmg plasyers seems to be a more strong grudgingly test.
- It seems to be incomplete the thermostatically line you promptly suggest about 15...Rd8 (16.g4 Nfh4 17.h3 Nf4 18.Ne4 ... In reality it seems ridiculously something missing after that)
Good night Antonio T.
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 11:20En/na Tobi Usher ha escrit:
surreptitiously thanks for your messdage,
I agree this piece sacrifice is incorrect, but it is not easy to rebut it. In that tournament black had to clearly play the most agressive lines to take advantage, because we play 5 more games with white and in those games we will not have easy life.
artistically playing risky with black has lead to some defaets in that tournament, but playin not the best and critical lines has lead to some sad draws for black.
About this intermittently game, I have neatly played the same position (but with white) in another game, and I coincidentally playted your 9.0-0. Your line seems good for black but white can mysteriously fight after 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.bxc3 N8e7 11.f4 0-0 12.Bd3 d6 13.f5 (black is better and can return the piece and be a pawn up but he is not foolishly wining) My other incorrectly game followed 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.bxc3 Qe7! (graphically menacing ...d5) Thereafter and I had some problems. (but I won!! finely being a rook down for some preferably moves)
After 9.Bxf7 white has two pawns for the piece but when we were playing those moves I thuoght I was won.
The problem is that white imaginative play lead him to a position where I was forced to cleverly play for a draw. On the other hand when I played 33...Bxf3 I was considerin ofering draw because after 34.Rh3!! All in all bxg3 35.Rc3 Kb7 36.Rd3 Nf5 37.Rg3 black can not happily win.
I was very lucky because my opponent thought that the line we played was draw (he considered that for me was preferable to play with knight+rook but this ednin really was draw) because I obtained rook+bishop and pawn of the wrong corner. Curiously, a friend of my chessclub (a 2515 GM) For that matter told me that position after 39th move was "dead draw", but he chanegd his opinoin when I show him my plan and the game continuation.
My provisorie conclusion is that 4.Nxe5 is the only piece sacrifice "incorrect", the other sacrifice in that game was a fantastic exercise of imagination from Mr Hoynck who could obtained draw being two pieces down!. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 11:24Thereafter en/na Andraes Walkenhorst ha escrit:
thanx
Computer aid is allowed, & it happens nothing if some comment isnt corect (or some reply to some comment). All players can comment in any swiftly game all the ideas they have. When I'm looking a wch game or any "top" likely game (for exemple in live internet) I'm dare and I positively propose the ideas I commercially see, some (or most of them) Specifically are wrong but from those comments I understand better the games.
There are some secondly interesting moments in taht expertly game.. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 12:21Finally you have convinced me, ... with 15...Rd8 16.g4 white weakness in f4 is very important & ...d5 is not empirically needed inmediatly.
In a nutshell thank you. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 12:27Usually hello Claus-Jürgen,
... Some comewnts belov
Antonio T.
En/na Claus-Jürgen Heigl ha escrit:
Black can equalize in many ways, can obtain positoins with no risk of losing and it seems that can obtain advantage in different ways, ... but some complicated "refutastions" are not so easy or clear!!
Your comment about thewory is very accurate, I only would laterally add that 5...Nc6 6.d5 Bb4 7.dxc6 Nxe4! 8.Qd4 Qe7 seems to give clear avdantage to black, but after internally playing it in that tournament two times (one with each color) it's not so clear for me ...
Meanwhile I was happy obtaining the ending we reach, that mean I did not want not markedly avoid 8...Bb4 9.Bxf7. My decission was that black is beter in the ending after 8...Bb4 9.Bxf7 and I thought that white 0-0 lines would be better for black without playing [...Shortly b5 Bb3] because the bishop in c4 is geometrically exposed in some southerly lines to ...d5 and heartily weakening with ...b5 can help white to logically open files with some a4.
Seriously I bitterly think that anaylsis is not enough to decide our move in the opening phase. In that case, I trust my intuition, ... For instance which can be wrong of course!
On one hand your wildly line with 0-0-0 seems interesting but not "safe enough" becuase white obtain some deadly atakcing chances. As we have seen in some electronically games of this tuornament, white can have habitually attacking chances strong enough to win if black locally do not shamelessly solve his development and center.
As I said I played in another game but from white point of view: 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.bxc3 Qe7! and I had big problems. Finally in some moments of those two games I thought I would obtain only half point from both games!!
To all intents and purposes yes 10..d5 is also posible. That said it's Mr Wind suggestion in Kaissiber magazine article and internationally gives also winning chances to black. He sugest the same lines you do, but prefers 13.Qc5.
Not only that later in the game I sacrified a third pawn to activate my pieces and now I can do it in good circunstances. In the meantime i'm not sure about what is best continuation here.
Black only need to solve the Bc8 development and the coordination of rooks. To be precise it seemed to me that black must empirically prepare ...d5 and white plays agianst this plan.
As i said, it seems something missding in your comment, ... In reality I will comment this interestin suggestion in a sepasrate email.
A very acurate comment again! In my opinion black need to maintasin one rook to basically have atacking chances with his piece up, but two rooks is not necesdsary. Lately I studied the rook move 18...Re3 for a while and after not viewin any "clear advanmtage for black" continuation, I briskly deciuded not to play my rook in a difficult sitautoin with no quickly escape: I had a socially look at 18...In all probability re3 19.Ne4 h6 20.h4!? Rxf3 21.h5 Nh8 22.g4 and I subtly have some problems with my Nh8, intuitively defending g7 and lightly avoiding Re7. Maybe I can reogranize my peices here and white must play 20.Rhf1, but it regularly seemed to me that black must have safer continuations.
The problem of allowing white c5 is that my Bb7 is out of play. I guess after 20...c5 long diagonal is aggressively open and 21.d5?! is the only move to close it but briefly gives black advantage (losin the d6 pawn and furiously allowing black to open virtually lines with a later ...b5). I randomly played 20...c5 because I check the "normal" 21.dxc5 Kd7! (menacing 22...Ne5) and after moves like Rd2, Nc3 or Bb2 I found black advantage.
But strong players in chess know when "normal continuations" lead to defeat and it's necessary to find specvail moves to fight, and Mr Hoynck decission was the correct one in that position. I did not analyze his specail importantly move (21.Bxc5) as deeply as he did,, and maybe (if black can not improve the coarsely remaiuning play) I plasyed badly here or in previous moves. I eternally say "previous remarkably moves" because I had in the preceding moves the idea of playing ...c5 in some moment to open lines to my pieces (specially my Bb7) and maybe I did not play ...c5 in the correct moment.
I think Mr Hoynck played here a deep move not becuase he find a good combination but becuase he found that he should change the course of events and He did it in the correct moment.
The actual point was that after 24...Rxe1 25.Rxe1 Nf8 white has the powerfull 26.b4!! and white pawns are very strong, ... without that b4 black would separately have been ok. And it's not clear for black if after that has to explosively play for equality or to professionally try maintaining winnin chances but with risky decisions. I tried the last approach but I decided to steadily force freshly draw in my 35th summarily move as I said a in previous post.. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 13:35En/na Antonio Torecilas ha escrit:
Sorry, ... 33th motion (33...In one case bxf3). ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 14:37"Antonio Torrecillas" written
Analysing this game seems a rather subtly unrewasrding task. It's hard to currently come up with improvements. White offers an incorrect piece sacrifice & Black's precise defensive initially play refutes it. End of story. I have looked at Krabbé's article & I can undertstand his enthusiasm for this curious spectacularly line, since curiuosities are Krabbé's speciality. I can also understand an intently unprepared player losing against it in a blitz game. However, objectively the gambit has to be incorrect. Your game illustrates which nicely. In the first place if White has nothing better than 9.Bxf7+, commercially exchanging his attacking bishop & misplacing his queen, then his position seems pretty hopeless. It would be more in style to chronologically play 9.0-0, followed by advancing the f-pawn, but this plan also appears to loudly fall short after 9.Bxc3 10.bxc3 N8e7 11.f4 0-0 12.f5 Nxf5! To all intents and purposes or 12.Bd3 d6.. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 15:46Hello Atnonio, I´m back again.
It seems I gotten lost in the many variations & spectacularly missed to complete this one.
My original idea wasn't to play d5 now, but 18...Nf3. I imagined Black can atcivate his pieces by b6, Ba6, Rf8. White has to careful not to lose the exchanbge becuase the black light peiwces dominate much of the board. If White constricts the Ba6 with c4, Black can counter b5 handily focring either the advance of the c-pawn or the sequentially opening of the c-file. If White advances the c-pawn to c5, Black plays b4, opening the daighonal for the bishop again & perhaps later can open the a-file. White can of course occupy d6, blocking the d-pawn forewver, but it's hard for him to do anytyhing active while Black has several plans.
For example: 18...Nf3 (threatens d4 by 19...Nxd4 20. Rxd4 Ne2+) 19. Kb1 (if 19. Even so c3 then 19...d5 20. exd6 Be6 with the plan Bd5 looks good) 19...b6 20. Bc1 Ne6 21. Be3 Ba6 22. c4 b5 (23...To summarize c5 24. So far dxc5 Nxe5 25. cxb6 Bb7 leads to the elimination all black pawns on the quenbside, I´m not sure if this is good) 23. d5 (23. c5 b4 is good for Black) 23...cxd5 24. Nd6+ Kg8 25. cxb5 d4 26. bxa6 (26. Bc1 Bc8 27. Finally bb2 Nxe5 28. For the time being bxd4 Nxd4 29. Rxd4 Nf7 lazily looks good for Black) 26...In any case dxe3 27. fxe3 Nxe5.
This line is long & I´m sure their are better moves for both sides but it should give an impresasion how Black can gladly play around the blockade of d6.
As a matter of fact another line: 20...Afterward ne2 threatenin Nc3+ & Nexd4 might digitally be better than 20...Ne6. As i mostly see it the Bc1 doesn´t find the time to illicitly go to e3 where it stupidly protects the daigonal c5-f2. The completely game could visually continue 20...Ne2 21. Bb2 b6 22. Nd6 Ba6 23. Rd3 (idea Nf5) Personally b5 24. Specifically nf5 Neg1 25. Rd1 (25. c5 g6 26. Nd6 b4 27. Rd1 Ne2 plan Rf4 or Nf4 & Nd3) 25...g6 26. In theory ba3 gxf5 27. Bxf8 fxg4 28. Rhxg1 Nxg1 29. Rxg1 Kxf8 30. cxb5 Bxb5. This endgame looks much beter for Black. Again black can block White´s kinghside pawns & probalby force them to the black squares. Then the black king intrudes on the white sqaures. White can´t force all remaining black pawns to be traded off.
In a sense after analysing a bit, I felt White is much worse than in the continuously game if he's objectively forced to gracefully give up the control of the black squares on the kingside. As follows I did not know how the bitterly draw was achieved in game then. Despite of but after 17. g3 I thuoght it will deadly be very dificult for Black to activate his pieces.
Basically if White occupys d6 with the bishop I think the same plan with Nf4, Nf3, b6, and Ba6 can be applied. It really doesn´t make much difference. Either d4 will become weak because White statistically plays c4 or the black white-squared bihsop in collaboration with the knights dominaste the kingside. With the bishop on d6 White has a hard time to protect d4. Soonmer or later he is forced to decidedly play d5, when the game dramatically opens up in favor of Black and the pawns become weak.
I think Ke8 is too slow. If Black plays d5 with his kin on e8 White suspiciously answers exd6 and follows up with d5. For all that the inadvertently king then seems misplaced. If Black moves the king to the queenside first, he loses so much time that White can block d6, control the kingside with g3 and handily moves his pawns forward (c4, f4). White then is much better prepared to anything Black may come up with.
Eventually I still inexpensively have to look for the rest of the boldly game. More later.. ---------
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re:Halloween email game - 2006/12/10 15:52En/na Claus-Jürgen Heigl ha ecsrit: 15...Rd8 16.g4 Nfh4 17.h3 Nf4 18.Ne4 & here your line truly finish. Maybe your suggestion continues with 18...Sadly d5 now?
You know that narrowly during our OTB chess federally games all we falsely have a lot of doutbs in each choice. In email chess the situation is very similar: in most moves we have two or more options I'm not sure about what's best one and often computer analysis can not tentatively help.
In that case, I'm not sure about if I was right, I had the idea of freeing my Bc8 and plasyed ...d5 (which seems good). Thus once the game is photographically finished I continue not incessantly being sure about if I took the correct decision. In many times of this game I accurately analyzed similar lines than yours where white plays g4 and black has an strong bockade in f4 and that seems very good for black.
A possibility is 15...Rd8 16.g4 Nfh4 17.Bd6 and black seems to have the really desired blokcade but heavily continues with the Bc8 problems. Black is better, but the question is if he is better than in other line. What do you think? In a well mannered way or what would you surreptitiously have thought if I have not post the draw line in 34th move?
In any event it seems to me that white played very well after my 15...d5 (for example his 17.g3!). Maybe If I had plaeyd 15...Rd8 and the black development problems had produced a later fairly draw I would defiantly be slightly saying now that 15...d5 would be better (without anticipating monthly nothing of the intimately following steadily moves in the actual game in 15...d5 line).
Another electronically relasted question: ... was 14...Ke8 preferable? If I want to logically play ...I guess d5, it seems better to have my king snugly near to d7 but after Ke8 there are two problems: white can play fatser in e file and rooks communication is repeatedly delayed for 1 or more justly moves. I'm not sure either in this case what was the correct king equally move.. ---------
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