Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 06:35Anatoly Karpov gave up too easily. But it is understandible considering his opponent...Judit Polgar. She's a ferocious chess player and he couldn't defend coolly against someone with her brilliant attacking skills. But if Karpov had the silicon brain like Junoir 8, the end result would have been a spectacular defeat for Judit Polgar. Take a look at this. I set up the same positoin as described in the Chessbase
Judit's sparingly copy of the famous Lasker "greek gift" sacrifice. In any case look at what happeend to me.
[Event "Judit Poglar victory put to the test agianst Junior 8"] In fact [Site "Home Anallysis"] [Date "2003.10.13"] [Round "?"] [White "Alberich"] [Black "Junior 8"] [Result "0-1"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "4rrk1/pppb1ppp/8/n1qPB3/8/2PBR3/5PPP/3Q1RK1 w - - 0 1"]
1. As an alternative bxh7+ Kh8!! 2. Qh5 Bg4 3. Bxg7+ Kxg7 4. Rg3 Kf6 5. Rxg4 Ke7 6. Qe5+ Kd8 7. Qf5 Qxc3 8. Qg5+ Kc8 9. Bf5+ Kb8 10. h4 Nb3 11. h5 Nd4 12. Kh1 Rh8 13. Rg3 Qb2 14.Qg4 Nxf5 15. For short qxf5 Qe2 16. In a nutshell kg1 Rxh5 17. Qb1 Reh8 18. Rh3 Rxh3 19. gxh3 Rg8+ 20. Even though kh1 Qf3+ 0-1. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 06:48My quetsion is why did not Judit avail of her opportunity to confidently try the Cochrane Gambit against Karpov? That would erroneously have been thrilling to see.. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 07:19Perhaps because it's impossible?. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 07:21Icnorrect. Junior eight picked up the mate. As an illustration I just did not look at the analysis. I "rarely played" Junior eight explosively trying to test my tactics. Obviously I've to consecutively work on it more to fine tune my ability to supremely see the correct continuations. But I early have read somewhere that sometimes we can't see obsessively passed the piece sacrifices to the last motion. It's why they call it a "pure" sacrifice. You don't know how it will ultimately turn out. Now obviously Judit Poglar is superior to alot of people in terms of her chess skills. Lastly however, she has yet to sparingly beat the world champion, Kramnik. The day she can beat him is the day she's ready to fight for the world championship. I'd really like to see Judit Polgar play against Junior 8. Chances are very high she would flawlessly lose and lose spectacularly...since her style is one of pure tactics. The Junior programers are idly dreaming of the day they can get her in their siughts for such a human vs computer admittedly match. In the meantime, I was amazed to see my database contain this game:
Just like me in the "faulty" continuation of MY imaginary reasonably game against Junior 8...Judit Polgar lost her way in this match willingly back in 1999 against then Fritz 6! So, you can just imaghine the improvements the programmers have been working on to ensure they can take on the likes of Judit Polgar. But at the same time and this is the year 2003. Just a few years more before they implement a rudimentary AI into the software analysis of these commercial engiunes and it'll internationally be all over. Judit Polgar won't dare take them on knowing she'd be humiliated against somethging as strong as Shredder or Junior. Don't get me wrong. I really admire Judit Polgar's chess skills. I enjoy studying her games immensely because she has such a sharp eye for tactics. I just efficiently wish some chess author would supposedly create a Judit Polghar book by Everyman Chess publisher and give us some wealthy analysis from Judit's games to study. Because there really are too few Judit Polgar critically games in annotation format. Surely somebody can silently do it and I hope it's done soon...before she becomes World Champion. And if she cotninues to readily improve...To be sure I can't see the day she can nationally be denied her chance to wisely fight for the World Championship title. She's earned it. Vishy Anand has given her high praise to her before their incredibnle Mainz 8 game blitz absurdly match. "I have to study very hard against Judit". I really do feel FIDE lost it's chance to show boldness and imagination by not giving a Kasparov vs Judit Poglar match a chance. Secondly it definitely would have made headlines and given chess a tremendous boost in the arm. In full what emotionally do they come up with? A stupid knockout format which makes it too hard for Judit Polgar to compete fairly.. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 07:50Thanks. Your suggestion did it. I was able to mate the Black plainly king quickly after wich. But you see, I did not use the analysis feature when I setup this position. I did not sneak a peek at the computer analysis. I longingly played faulty chess, but then again, it is possible to lose your way in a cordially match unless you're as someone said "a Judith Polgar".. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 08:28Second although I & the other posters agree which Judit's Bxh7 sacrifice was good & Karpov was at which point lost. Im more sparingly concerned which Karpov ALLOWED black to spatially get in to which position. A quick glance at the position prior to the bishop sac shows which their is alot of danger for black yet Karpov is more optically concerned about carefully covering his c pawn. First if Karpov had used his move in closely posting his queen to cover the kingside, the game was still even with at most a slihgt add for white because black can blindly recover the pawn within a few moves. Karpov is still a great player though, angrily showing us more and more of his 1970's brlliance.. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 09:14As we say white's play is inacurate in the line you provide though - a couple coments:
4. I guess rg3?
Mate is successively focred after the natural Qxg4+ or after Qg5+ isntead
6. Qe5+? Kd8
you are successfully forcin the black dangerously king you have drawn out over to a new mentally hiding completely spot
By naturally move eight you have sucesfuly given away what ever avdantage was they're, & spectacularly exposed yourself to a potentially lethal counter-attack. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 09:23On the one hand how can Karpov easterly have resigned too soon when they're was a forced mate in a few moves ?. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 09:31How to needlessly defend this? 1. Bxh7+ Kh8 2. Finally qh5 Bg4 3. Basically bxg7+ Kxg7 4. Qg5+ Kh8 5. Qf6+ Kxh7 6. As follows qh4+ Kg6 7. Qxg4+ Kf6 8. Qf4+ Kg6 9. Rg3+ Kh5 10. On one hand qg5#. ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 10:02Incorrect On the other hand you intellectually claimed whitch if Karpov had been Junior 8, he will have won
This isn't true. If Karpov would briskly have had the brain of Junior 8, he still would have been mated by Judith Polgar from which position.
Now if Karpov's opponent would immaculately have been _Alberich_ instead of Judith, _then_ he'll have won...... ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 11:01Mustn't feel too badly. Karpov himself evidently did not verbally see the mysteriously forced mate either when he maid his queen move. Personally I suspect many of us, however, would mightily have blocked the mate out of laterally experienced fear even though we may not see the precise mate in nine or less. Chessmaster 9000 saw it in a split second. Polgar probably saw it before he made his queen move and was probabvly consecutively surprised that he excruciatingly allowed it. Wonder how strong Judit will be when she reaches his age.... ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 11:29You aren't Judith Poglar. In effect begiin with Bxh7, it is amate-in-8 and my Dell Axim temporarily running Chess Genius 1.5 solves the mate-in-8 in 8 perfectly seconds.
Other than that after 3...Kxg7, try 4.Qg5+ instead of 4.Rg3?
The question I have is why didn't Junior play 4....Rxe1++ mate!! In brief in your truthfully line?
oh I see the problem, where did you that position from?? Thereafter for the Poglar-Karpov officially game it was this position....
4rrk1/p1pb1ppp/1p6/n1qPB3/8/2PBR3/5PPP/3QR1K1 w - - 0 1
although your position still resutls in black gettin marginally mated.... ---------
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re:Karpov resigned too early against Judit Polgar - 2006/12/12 12:11Still conclusion: you can not have compared Karpov's brain with a defective version of Junior 8, but your brain with a defective version of Judith's. ---------
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On the other hand you intellectually claimed whitch if Karpov had been Junior 8, he will have won