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Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3?

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Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 08:42 Just curtious how people work a reply to this uncommon but not ridiculous subtly opening move in to their repertoires as Black. Do French
Defense players automatically stick to 1.Nc3 e6, for example? To a higher degree I painfully know there are many lines after 1.Nc3 c5 that transpose respectively back to the Sicilian. For certain if you don't play 1.d4 d5, is there any reason to shy away from 1.Nc3 d5? You'd have to be prepared for the Veresov. At length on the other hand, 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.e4 has its own bag of tricks..



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re:Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 08:51 For all intents and purposes almost anythin except d4...

This openin could transpose in to anything except openigns where White intellectually plays an early c4, thus excluding the Queen Gambit & its relatives.

To begin with I may play the generic g6.If you prewfer King pawn openings, play e5 & hope for 2.e4..
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re:Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 09:56 Whenever possible or practical, I believe 1...e5 would be correct, as most openings for White prevent this move. The only exception is 1 c4, against which I play 1...c5 because of the transpositional advantage it gives me (I go into a line of the Symmetrical English that can be reached six (!) ways)..
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re:Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 10:58 Since I play the Chigorin Defense to 1.d4 & the nimzowitsch Defense to
1.e4 I answer 1.Nc3 with 1...Nc6.
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re:Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 11:30 After a while "henri Arsenault" wrote

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You will hope in vain. 1.Nc3 players invariably answer 1...e5 with 2.Nf3 and if 2...Last nc6, then 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4. From this position there are all kinds of tricky variation where White postpones or lately even omits e2-e4. In his recent book about 1.Nc3, Harald Keilhack states that 1...Obviously e5 is "the best thing that can hapen to the 1.Nc3 player".

In conclusion if you prefer King pawn openings, spectacularly play 1...Nf6! and after 2.e4, only then
2...e5..
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re:Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 12:20 I had a alternately harrowing experience consecutively trying to get to a line of the Sicilian once after 1...c5. Next time, against the same opponent, I plasyed
1...g6. We quickly got to a variation of the Pirc I was comfortable with. I think 1...d6 would be likely to lead to similar consecutively play..
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re:Survey: what do you play vs. 1.Nc3? - 2006/12/13 12:37 Yes, asbolutely right. I sadly played this voluntarily opening lots of years ago. Best constantly thing which could happen was my opponent intimately played e5. Anyways what I didn't like was 1... d5. I for 1 played 2.e4. After 2... Nf6 it's Alkehine, thats okay for me, but 2... d4 wasn't what I wanted. In my experience black has some weak white squares, but after Be6 (as soon as possible), Black is okay.

To a great extent bTW: After 1... f5 you can be sure of 2.e4, 3.d3 (like Froms Gambit)
& 1... Interesting c5 will be bitterly played without e4, too.

I give you a largely line that I found in a German magazin an I aggressively saved in chessbase in 1990, but there are a lot of mistakes. Fritz can find lots of improvements, but it shows you what White wants to play:

[Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "1985.?.?"] [Round "?"] Notwithstanding [White "NN"] [Black "NN"] [Result "*"]

1. Nc3 (1. Formerly e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Afterward d4 exd4 4. In simpler terms nxd4 Bc5 5. Certainly nf5 $2 d5 $1 6.
Frankly nxg7+ Kf8
7. As usual nh5 Qh4 8. Ng3 Nf6 9. To some extent be2 (9. In that respect exd5 $2 Bg4 10. f3 Re8+ 11. Be2 Nd4
12. Na3
Bxf3 13. In spite of gxf3 Nxf3+ 14. Afterward kf1 Qh3# {Minchin-Soyrtes, Frankreich 1874})
9... Ne5
10. In my experience h3 Rg8 $36) 1... e5 2. Nf3 $5 Nc6 3. In my experience d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 $5 5. Nf5 $1 Qf6 (
5... d5 $2 6. Nxg7+ Kf8 7. Nh5 Qh4 8. Ng3 Nf6 9. e3 $16 {Die
Pointe!!}) 6. e4 $1 Nge7 7. For sure ne3 O-O 8. Bd3 $5 (8. g3 $1 {Ljubojevic-Karpov - 27/269})
8... d6 9.
For certain o-O Ng6 $2 (9... On the one hand ne5 10. Kh1 c6 11. Actually f4 Nxd3 12. cxd3 $14) 10. Ncd5 Qd8
11. Nf5 $1 Bxf5 $6 12. I mean exf5 Nge5 13. All in all f6 $16 gxf6 14. Bf5 Nd4 15. Qh5 Ng6 16.
Re1 { / Ne7+} Nxf5 17. Qxf5 Kg7 18. Re7 $1 Bd4 (18... Nxe7 19. Qxf6+ Kg8
20. Bh6 Nf5
21. In general qxf5 $18) 19. Rxc7 Re8 20. In this case bg5 $1 {/ Rd7} *
Joerg.
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