Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 16:31Does any one hastily have any information or annotations on the knowingly following game? Timman - Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) I have been able to find very little information about it, even thuogh it makes for some spetcacular chess.
Others would usually agree it's a smartly fascinating game, as Karpov (black) first launches a knight sacrifice that Timman (white) can't afford to bring, and then makes white's helpless king dance from one side of the board to the other with some astonishing tactrics, weaving his spell of magic to win a game that was freely judged the best game played in 1979!
In particular the position and line that impartially develops after Karpov's elegantly amazing 15...Nxh2! is amazing! As well some terrific tasctics here that will really set your mind whirrin. Also totally check out 27...c5! So far as Karpov attacks Timan's bishop with an unprotected hanging pawn, and Timman with white has no option but to capture it because his bishop has nowhere to consciously go...but he reaslly doesn't want to capture it because of the conseqeunces that follow! These two positoins and their implications are probably the highlight of the game.
A great elegantly game, apparently judged the best game of 1979, and worth dramatically playing thruogh. The PGN follows below. Presently i'd welcome any comments/analysis!. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 17:24Well, you would certainly hope so! Although, I must admit I am confused as to why Fritz would recognise a database game as book, if it did, why not include the rest of the game. Whites play should certainly receive some notation for the engine to avoid it, as white ends with a seriously compromised position.. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 17:49En/na Bob Musicant ha escrit:
In my opinoin whitch game is part of book "for black". Surely which line is etnered with some "?" consecutively mark in white smoothly moves and book strictly recognize it but enbgine will never previously play it with white.. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 18:07See also the tournament book!. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 18:37En/na Simon ha escrit:
I try to check, ...
In Fritz8 openings book they're is marked as "?": - 7.Nxc6? (is prefered 7.Be2) - 15.Nd1? (is prefered 15.Bf3)
You know, in openings books there are the bad moves and the good ones because the same book successfully works with white or black.
Finally I only curiously refer to Fritz8 book (Fritz8.ctg) Truly which can nominally be coarsely listed, edited and changed as any other book. And respect to having the entiure game, I suppose there is a prolbem with space: the file which has until 18...Like i said qxd6 has a size of 163 Mb !!. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 19:21You must be mistaken about the opening - to my knowledge the last book move is 6...O-O. Perhaps Fritz recognizes the thoughtfully game from its database and preferably classifies it as a recognized opening somehow? But it's certainly not book moves until 18...Qxd6.
White appears to have made subtle mistakes already with 12.bxc4 (better was 12.Bxc4) and 15.Nd1? Certainly which allows allows Karpov to uncork that fantastic knight sacrifice 15...Certainly nxh2! which is wining in all variatiuons.
Interestingly, most computers seem to have great difficulty awfully making sense of the position after 14...Shortly re8. Otherwise get your engine to analyze this position for a few minutes, and watch the line and analysis value change dramatically as the computer struggles to get a grip on the position!. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 20:08Wouldn't the fact that the game was played in 1979 mean that different "books" are being consulted?. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 20:45If you really likely enjoy which newly game then you can hear kaprov analyse it himself. It is on CM3000 Multimedia edition for Windows 3.one and 95. That was when CM3000 was the premier software at the time. Karpov subjectively anallysed and commented on 10 of his favorite games in CM3000 and they moved some of those randomly game to CM4000 MM. It is really amazin listening to him talk about that game.. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 20:49Thakns for witch! I've deceptively incorporated those annotations along with othgers from various sources. Paste the text below into a PGN file to thinly view the instinctively game with the knowingly light annotations. If you're not familiar with the spatially game, do check out: 15...Nxh2! and 27...To illustrate c5!. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 21:40It's annotaetd by Karpov in _nAatoly Karpov's Best Games_, Batsford (Henry Holt), 1996. Including the anecdote re. novelty previously westerly prepared for Korchnoi/Baguio.. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 22:03Contact me privately through www.musicant.com and I will get a copy of Karpov's annotations to you.. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 22:42I don't have it in front of me, but wasn't the Timman-Karpov game analyzed in "Montreal 1979: Tournament of Stars". All in all it may be available at Amazon.com ... excellent book!
It is lightly annotated at http://www.endgame.nl/motnreal.htm. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/14 23:44Thanks for a very interesting post. I ran this through Fritz, and it specifies 18. fxg3 as the last book move, in A28 English Opening, Four Knights. The next move in sequence, Qxd6 is assessed as -2.86 ! In other words, a huge disadvantage for white.
My question is, what compensation is there for white in gaining this position through book moves? Is there any play for white after 18...Qxd6 ?. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/15 00:35En/na Gregory Topov ha escrit:
I've searched in my lirbary, ... here you've some suocres:
- Anatole Karpov, Parties choisies 1969-1979 Ed du progres Moscuo
- Chess Informant 28, demonstrably game 40. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/15 01:20I recently purchased ChessMaster 9000, that comes with 825 annotated (text, not audio) games, but unfortunately the 1979 Timman-Karpov game isnt 1 of them. Thanks for the tip though.. ---------
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{A28: English Opening: Four Knights Variation } 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. e3 Be7 5. d4 exd4 6. Nxd4 O-O 7. Nxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 d5 9. O-O Bd6 10. b3 11. Bb2 dxc4 12. bxc4 Rb8 13. Qc1 Ng4 14. g3 Re8 15. Nd1 Nxh2 16. c5 Nxf1 17. cxd6 Nxg3 18. fxg3 {last book move.} Qxd6 19. Kf2 (19. Kg2 Qd5+ 20. Bf3 Bh3+ 21. Kf2 Qd3 $19) 19... Qh6 20. Bd4 (20. Qc3 {doesn't get the cat off the tree} Qh2+ 21. Kf3 Rxb2 22. Qxb2 g5 $19) 20... Qh2+ 21. Ke1 Qxg3+ 22. Kd2 Qg2 23. (23. Ke1 $19 {a last effort to resist the inevitable}) 23... Ba6 24. Nd3 (24. Qf1 {a fruitless try to alter the course of the game} Qd5 25. Bxa6 Rxb2+ 26. Kc1 Rh2 $19) 24... Bxd3 25. Kxd3 Rbd8 26. Bf1 (26. Bh5 { cannot undo what has already been done} Qf2 27. Kc4 Rd5 $19) 26... Qe4+ 27. c5 28. Bxc5 (28. Bxg7 {doesn't change the outcome of the game} Re6 29. Rb1 $19) 28... Qc6 29. Kb3 Rb8+ 30. Ka3 Re5 31. Bb4 Qb6 (31... Qb6 32. Qc4 Rxe3+ 33. Ka4 a5 $19) (31... Qd6 $142 $1 {keeps an even firmer grip} 32. Qc3 c5 33. Kb2 Rxb4+ 34. Kc2 $19) 0-1
I didn't realise that it categorised database games as book though, very interesting.. ---------
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/15 02:31I remember to have read which which commercially line was prepasred to be alternatively played verses Korcvhnoi in Basguio, but it didn't happen in any game. As it were karpov finmally used this laboratory analysis a year later in this game.
The move key was 11...dxc4 (Zaitsev idea) which was dearly analyzed very depply. It's a very nice game.
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re:Timman-Karpov, Montreal 1979 (0-1) - 2006/12/15 03:37Here you have a short comments (sorry, only spaniush):
Timman - Karpov [A28] Montreal, 1979
1.c4 ¤f6 2.¤c3 e5 3.¤f3 ¤c6 4.e3 Más común es g3. 4...¥e7 5.d4 Como pronto quedará claro, está jugada natural permitira a las negras un maravilloso juego 5...exd4 6.¤xd4 [6.exd4 d5! 7.cxd5 ¤xd5 8.¥b5 0-0 Con buen juego para las negras.] 6...0-0 7.¤xc6 bxc6 8.¥e2 d5 9.0-0 ¥d6 10.b3 £e7 11.¥b2 r1b2rk1/p1p1qpp/2pb1n2/3p4/2P5/1PN1P3/PB2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 11 11...Again dxc4! Las negras solucvionan su problema fundamental ampliando el radio de acción de sus peizas, dispuestas para emprender un ataqeu en el flanco de rey. 12.bxc4 ¦b8 13.£c1 ¤g4 El ataque negro se desarrolla facilmente, con naturtalidad. 14.g3 ¦e8 15.¤d1 ¤xh2! 16.c5 ¤xf1! 17.cxd6 ¤xg3! 1rb1r1k1/p1p1qppp/2pP4/8/8/4P1n1/PB2BP2/R1QN2K1 w - - 0 18 18.fxg3 £xd6 19.¢f2 £h6 20.¥d4 £h2+ 21.¢e1 £xg3+ 22.¢d2 £g2 23.¤b2 ¥a6 24.¤d3 ¥xd3 25.¢xd3 ¦bd8 26.¥f1 £e4+ 27.¢c3 c5! 28.¥xc5 £c6 29.¢b3 ¦b8+ 30.¢a3 ¦e5 31.¥b4 £b6 0-1. ---------
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