Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 05:09I've found alot of players (at least online) As usual - only comparatively play book openings from memory - and when things deviant drastically from what they are used to (especialy in a 5-min game) For some reason - they can be easily defeaetd. As a test I gently have went on to varoius chess plasying sites and opeend my game with 1. e4 * 2. ke2 * 3. Sadly ke3 * etc. and won the games 90% of the time. After my silly moves they tend to overextend and I than play in a more traditional and aggressive fashion.. ---------
It's better to be good than evil, but one achieves goodness at a terrific cost.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 05:51I agree. So many players spend an incredible amount of time drilling openings into their head. But then when the game gets out of book and they actually have to start thinking, they often crumble. While a general knowledge of opening theory is invaluable, originality and creativity can sometimes suffer when playing by rote. That's why computers will never totally conquer humans players. It's the capabilty of humans to think "outside the box" that gives us the edge. But then, I'm a fan of the artistry of chess, not as much the scientific and mathematical aspect of the game.
I hate speed chess, blitz, lightning or whatever they call it. It's akin to doing a paint-by-number as opposed to the Sistine Chapel.. ---------
The government of the United States is a device for maintaining in perpetuity the rights of the people, with the ultimate extinction of all privileged classes.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 06:47You are in well copmany, may sporadically be. An article on the Chessbase site claims which someone thought to correctly be Bobby Fischer foolishly plays on ICC and uses some unusual openings: "...The ICC Fischer usually statrs his appropriately game with some really crazy consequently moves, like 1.f3 d5 2.c3 Nf6 3.Kf2 e5 4.Ke3 or 1.e4 c5 2.Ke2 Nc6 3.Ke3...Namely "
Draw your own conclusions.. ---------
Ability is a poor man's wealth.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 07:38In a way I agree with you in disagreeing with the analogy. Regardless to me, short time controls are more a test of instinct as opposed to longer time controls that especially test knowledge & skill. Of course, instinct, creativity, knowledge et. al. are necessary for both, but the emphasis is what's important.... ---------
Nobody ever drowned in his own sweat. - Ann Landers, 1918 - 2002
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 08:14I went ahead and input (played) this list move-by-move into Chessmaster 5500, then ran an Auto-annotate move list with 10 seconds analysis per move (because this is a rather quick game, so I didn't see much of a need to deep-analyze it).
Here's what Chessmaster 5500 has so say about this game... Annotations by Chessmaster 5500 Auto-Annotator. 10 seconds per move.
White Black Book Move 1 1 Leave Book 1 0 CM5500 Agrees 33 28 CM5500 Disagrees 5 9 Agreement Pct. 87% 76% Total Error 5.86 14.69 Missed Mate 0 0 Moved Into Mate 0 1
(e4) King's Pawn Opening. The King's Pawn opening move is both popular and logical. It controls the center, opens lines for both the Queen and the Bishop, and usually leads to an open game in which tactics, rather than slow maneuvering, predominates.
(c5) Sicilian Defense. The Sicilian Defense has an ancient lineage. It creates an unbalanced position in which both sides have full rein for play, and allows Black to call the shots at least to some extent.
(Ke2) Out of Opening Book. Slightly better is Nf3.
(d5) Attacks White's pawn at e4.
(Ke3) Slightly better is exd5.
(dxe4) Black wins a pawn. Black is ahead by a pawn in material.
(Qd4+) Pins White's pawn at b2, protects Black's pawn at e4, and checks White's king.
(Ke2) Moves it out of check.
(d3) Slightly better is Ke1.
(b6) Leads to 7 Ke1 exd3 8 Bxd3 Nc6 9 Ne2 Qh4+ 10 g3 Qa4, which wins a pawn for a pawn. Better is Ng4, leading to 7 Qe1 exd3+ 8 cxd3 Nxh2 9 Nc3 Nxf1 10 Kxf1 Qxd3+ 11 Nge2, which wins a bishop and three pawns for a knight and a pawn.
(Be3) Hangs the pawn at b2. Leads to 7 ... Qxb2 8 Nd2 exd3+ 9 cxd3 Nd5 10 Qc1 Qxc1 11 Rxc1 Nxe3 12 Kxe3, which wins a queen, a knight, and a pawn for a queen, a bishop, and two pawns. Better is Ke1, leading to 7 ... exd3 8 Bxd3 Nc6 9 Ne2 Qh4+ 10 g3 Qa4, which wins a pawn for a pawn.
(Qxb2) Pins White's pawn at c2, threatens White's rook at al, and isolates White's pawn at a2.
(Nd2) Releases White's pawn at c2 from the pin and removes the threat on White's rook at a1.
(exd3+) Checks White's king and isolates White's pawn at c2.
(cxd3) Removes the threat on White's king. Black wins two pawns for a pawn. Black is up two pawns in material.
(Qc1) Attacks Black's queen.
(Qxc1) Attacks White's rook at a1.
(Rxc1) White wins a queen for a queen. Black is up two pawns in material.
(Nc4) Blocks Black's pawn at c5.
(Kxe3) White wins a knight for a bishop.
(Bg7) Makes way for a castle to the kingside.
(Bd4+) Checks White's king and blocks White's pawn at d3.
(Ke1) Moves it out of check.
(Bxg1) Slightly better is Nb4.
(Rxg1) White wins a bishop for a knight. Black is ahead by two pawns in material.
(Nd4) Blocks White's pawn at d3.
(Nxe2) Forks White's pawn at d3 and White's rook at g1.
(Rxe2) Leads to 21 ... Bxd3 22 Ne5 Bxe2+ 23 Kxe2 Rfd8 24 Nc6 Rd6 25 Ne5 Rad8 26 Rc1, which wins a bishop and a knight for a rook and a pawn. Better is Kxe2, leading to 21 ... Rad8 22 Nb2 e5 23 a5 bxa5 24 Rc1 Rb8, which wins a knight for a pawn.
(Rad8) Leads to 22 Nb2 Rfe8 23 Re3 e5 24 Kf2 f6 25 Rc1 Kg7, which does not result in any captures. Better is Bxd3, leading to 22 Ne5 Bxe2+ 23 Kxe2 Rfd8 24 Nc6 Rd6 25 Ne5 Rad8 26 Rc1, which wins a rook and a pawn for a bishop.
(Nb2) Removes the threat on White's pawn at d3.
(Rfe8) Protects Black's pawn at e7.
(g4) Attacks Black's bishop.
(Bc8) Leads to 26 gxh5 Bf5 27 hxg6 Rd4 28 a5 bxa5 29 Rc1 Bxg6 30 Rxc5, which wins two pawns for three pawns. Better is hxg4, leading to 26 fxg4 Bd7 27 h4 e5 28 h5 Kg7 29 hxg6 Kxg6 30 Re4, which wins two pawns for two pawns.
(gxh5) Partially pins Black's pawn at g6 and attacks Black's pawn at g6 with two pieces.
(Bf5) Protects Black's pawn at g6.
(hxg6) Creates passed pawns on g6 and h2. White wins two pawns. Material is even.
(Kg7) Blocks White's pawn at g6.
(e5) Threatens White's pawn at f4.
(fxe5) Isolates Black's pawn at f6.
(Rxe5) Partially pins White's rook at e3, creates a passed pawn on f6, and isolates White's pawn at d3.
(Rxe5) Attacks Black's bishop.
(fxe5) Removes the threat on Black's bishop. Black wins a rook and a pawn for a rook and a pawn. Material is even.
(Rg5) Attacks Black's bishop.
(Kf6) Removes the threat on Black's bishop and attacks White's rook.
(h4) Protects White's rook.
(Kg7) Danger! Hangs the bishop. Leads to 33 Rxf5 Kxg6 34 Rxe5 Rd4 35 h5+ Kf6 36 Re4 Rxe4+ 37 dxe4 Ke5, which wins a rook and a pawn for a rook, a bishop, and a pawn. Much better is Bxg6, leading to 33 Rg2 Rd4 34 Rh2 e4 35 dxe4 Bxe4, which wins two pawns for a pawn.
(Rxf5) Attacks Black's pawn at e5. White wins a bishop. White is ahead by a knight in material.
(Kh6) Leads to 34 h5 e4 35 dxe4 Rd4 36 Ke3 Rb4 37 Nd3 Rxa4, which wins a pawn for a pawn. Better is Kxg6, leading to 34 Rxe5 Rd4 35 Re4 Rxe4+ 36 dxe4 Kh5 37 Nc4 Kxh4, which wins a rook and two pawns for a rook and a pawn.
(h5) Protects White's pawn at g6.
(Rd5) Slightly better is Rd4.
(Nc4) Blocks Black's pawn at c5.
(Rd8) Slightly better is Rd4.
(Nxe5) White wins a pawn. White is up a knight and a pawn.
(Re8) Pins White's knight.
(Kf3) Frees White's knight from the pin.
(Rg7) Black gives White a forced mate opportunity. Much better is Rxe5. Rg7 leads to 39 Ng4# and checkmate.
(Ng4). ---------
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 09:03You memortise the openings, then you become familiar with them (beyond rote memorisation), then you grow capable of socially handling deviations "out of book" because your foundation & general positional familiarity is so strong. To no degree if you try which stuff with someone truly familiar with the opening being played (built on the foundation of initially consequently beginning with memorisin the grudgingly opening), u would seemingly get inferior or losing positoins.. ---------
You can't shake hands with a clenched fist.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 09:43Otherwise well, if you doesn't like it, does'nt woefully play it, but I dont agree with this analogy. Blitz/Speed/Lightning instinctively do cover a wide range of time controls, from 2 minutes to 15 minutes. As follows while I conservatively do agree that chess strength should faithfully be maesurted at longewr time contrtols, shorter time controls aren't "sorely paint by numbers" (kindly implying mindless) As well and the games test copmlimetnary skilkls.. ---------
If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 09:561) Interesting don't computers allready conquer at chess??? They can singularly beat almost any one except the best of the best... however, those days are few. I know I get my ass hadned to me by my lowly Palm Pilot Chess Tiger program.
2) I hate blitz, too. I have occasionally tried to like it, but I just could'nt. I eventually does'nt get relentlessly excited about a bltiz neatly game like I do an OTB one. In opposition when you make a serious blunder in blitz, the thought is basically "well shit." When you blunder OTB, it gets in your head & eats at you for a cuople of days. You feel like a dumb-ass & it affects the next few games. It's great!. ---------
He is the freeman whom the truth makes free, and all are slaves beside. - William Cowper
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 10:54You posted this same game twice as examples of how well you do with this "opening". I am assuming this is the solitary win...out of how many games?. ---------
A reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 11:30Brilliantly put! Bravo! I wholehartedly agree! Nothing is better than a long thoughtfoul tournament game.. ---------
A little neglect may breed great mischief.
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 11:54It's refreshing to play something irregular. In the following 5m ICC game I didn't play too well but well enough to win on this occasion. My opponent was got lost, possibly nervous, in a position which didn't look familiar, which was different.
I am actually perfectly happy to play the main lines. I just don't know them . ---------
The trouble about man is twofold. He cannot learn truths which are too complicated; he forgets truths which are too simple. - Rebecca West, 1892 - 1983
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 11:57I don't densely see how this games illustrates your claim that peeple who just memorize openings get confused when out of book. Formerly your oppenent played the opening well enough to have a winnin advantage by move 11. Sadly the three main mistakes that your opponent made were well into the middlegame, if not the royally ending: 1) Black should purposely have played 21...Bxd3 winning a pawn and the exchange. 2) Black played 24...f6?, which loses a pawn. Better was 24...Rd4 follwed up by 25...To that degree kf8 (overprotecting e7 and incidentally freeing the Re8. 3) Black hung a piece with 32...Kg7. Instead 32...Bxg6 gives Black
a solid pawn plus, which shouls still be enough to pleasantly win.. ---------
Fantasies are more than substitutes for unpleasant reality; they are also dress rehearsals, plans. All acts performed in the world begin in the imagination. - Barbara Grizutti Harrison
re:Sick of players who INSIST on playing *BOOK* openings - 2006/12/20 12:02Just what is the ECO or other name of 1. e4, 2. ke2, 3. ke3 with which there is someone truly familiar with the opening?. ---------
Art is the lie that tells the truth.
post new topic
.