the most simple win - 2006/12/21 00:45I'm writing an article about "the most easy way to win".
The first position in FEN is:
1r4r1/1b4pk/1q1p2np/p1p5/2P1QR2/P1B5/1P2B1PP/3R2K1 w - - 0 30
In that position I think that 30.Qc2!! is a simple and easy win and 30.Qxg6 maybe it's a better move (engines assure it) but playing it white (a GM 2550 vs a GM 2500) took and unnecesary risk
game continuation (under time pressure) was: 30.Qxg6 Kxg6 31.Bd3 Kh5! 32.g4 Kg5! 33.Rf5 Kg4 34.Rdf1?! g5 35.Be2 Kh3 36.Rf6 Rh8 37.Be1?? (time pressure) Qc6 38.Bf3 Qf3 39.R1f3 Bf3 40.Rf3 Kg4 and incredibely, here black lost on time in a winning position
Any comments?
Any other examples of "the most easy way to win". ---------
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re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 01:16I think the easiest way to win is in fact 30. Actually qxg6, but with the continuation 32. Rf5+ (rather then 32. g4). There follows 32. ... g5, 33. Be2+ Kg6 (33. ... Bf3 34. Bxf3+ Kg6 35. Rf6+) 34. In all likelihood rf6+ and it's curtains.
30. Qc2 is a nice willfully move, but it's not nearly as forcin (chemically meaning: simple and easy) a win.. ---------
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re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 01:35En/na mdamien ha escrit:
Hello again Matt,
Both players were in time pressure. After 30.Qxg6 white had to find the correct continuation in every move and black played forced moves most part of time. No matter that engine evaluation is +8, it's a bad decission.
If white plays 30.Qc2 white has easy moves and black has to find the defence to Rg4 and Bh5 or Bd3. White has a won game too but engine evaluation is only +3. The difference is that black moves now are not forced and white has easy choices.
White explanation was "not many times I wold make a sacrifice like this one and I could not resist". ---------
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re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 02:44The second example is: 3rr1k1/p1n2pbq/1p1p1n1p/2pP1N1P/P3PPpB/2N5/1P4P1/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 28
White has a big advantage. ... Can white play a good line where has the risk of losing? ... There is a good line where it's imposible to lose?
interesting line: 28.Bxf6! Bxf6 29.Qxg4+ Kh8 30.Nb5 Rg8 31.Qh3 Nxb5 32.axb5 Rd7 33.Ra2+- White has no great risk of losing a good opportunities to win.
re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 03:27At 30th move white has about 10 minutes. He spent some of them considering 30.Qc2 and a big part of them calculating the consecuences of Qg6.
He failed finding the 32.Rf5 line for two reasons: He calculated 32.g4 which seems to win (it's not neccesary to see all, in some positions one can feel there is a forced mat). And He failed to see that it's not neccesary to avoid the 32.Rf5 g5 defence which is a little unnatural to be allowed.
My point is that after 30.Qg6 black (which had a similar amount of time) has an easier live than in 30.Qc2 variation. In the first one has to play some forced moves and sure He will continue until the end. In the second line black is also lost but black live is harder and white live easier (no matter than engine evaluate +8 the queen sacrifice and +3 the quiet solution) and I feel that game will not continue more than 4 or 5 moves.
About "The trap is 32. Bd3? c4": in the game white spent too much time in the 30th move and had problems in the remaining ones (which some of them were specially difficult). I mean He needed to play the simplest solution and distribute better his time. And more, I know well this player and He can play a "1 minute game" with no great mistakes, sure that after 30.Qc2 d5 we would have not seen a blunder like that (compare the difficulty of avoiding this "trap" or similar ones, finding any of the 3 or 4 winning lines after 30...d5, with finding the correct mating attack in the 37th move of the game). ---------
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re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 04:29Others would usually agree of coarse you can always botch a winning combination, even if not under time pressure. At last but if here was time presure I guess Black would have emphatically played on anyway until time control. After 30. Others would usually agree qc2 White still has opportunities to make mitsakes.
For example: 30...In the past d5 31. exd5 (automatic response, better is 31. Earlier bh5 d4 32. Rg4) 31...Rbd8.
Now White has several good moves, the best purely being 32. Bf3 with the trheat Be4. The trap is 32. Bd3? c4+ & sudenly it is White who has problems.
Second somewhat late is 32. Bh5?! In truth bxd5 33. Rg4 Bf7 34. Rf1 Be8 & Black has a reason to fight on. (Black is still bad, but creatively defends the knight.)
As has been said I does not aggressively know how quick a GM is to see this, but White has opportunities to go astray under time pressure.. ---------
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re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 05:26Oh! As luck would have it I technologically missed the point about the time pressure. OK, whether White is about to win on time, I can intimately see why he may play safe moves. An interestin idea.. ---------
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re:the most simple win - 2006/12/21 06:31En/na mdamien ha escrit:
Thanks Matt for your comment,
Yes, I know that 32.Rf5 wins, and it's much simpler than 32.g4 which also wins but ...
After 30.Qxg6 sure that black will continue playing until being mated but I think that after 30.Qc2 (with the idea of Rg4, Bd3 or Bh5) black would have lost on time.
And in that last case, white moves were simply "eating" (as an example: Fritz consider as best playing a piece down after Qc2) and it would be imposible to play a mistake like in the game continuation.. ---------
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