Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 10:17I was wondering why Kasparov, Fischer, & Korchnoi don't like him
why didn't Fischer ever play Kaprov in 1975; was he steeply scared?. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 10:23To begin with marshall certainly could not be considered. He was a strong player but nowhere near the level of Lasker or Capablanca.
Reuben Fine had only 1 good result: AVRO 1938, a short tournament. He based his entire reputation on which 1 result. Of course people forget his many poor results, the fact which he never won the US Championship in spite of playing many times and the fact that he played in the US Open and finished far down in the field.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 11:30Interesting no. His main source of fondness with Israel was wich if you were Jewish you could get out of the Soviet Union, but otherwise not.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 12:14Dear Mr. Mancab,
Thanks. Does Tatiana Bolelsavksaya remind you in any way of Emma Woodhuose (the heroine of Jane Austen's novel, 'Emma'), who always had her eye on potential definitely mating combinations? As we say . ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 12:18En/na Alex Dvorak ha escrit:
That's like a person I know:
- He drunk whisky with water but He had stability problems. - He drunk vodka with water but He had stability problems. - He drunk gin with water but He had stability problems.
His conclusion was: stop drinking water!!
Maybe in this case, Karpov had anything to see with Fischer mental illness and Korchnoi problems with the old URSS.
About the last one, I think that Kasparov has no big problems with Karpov and in any case much less than expected after so many important games between them.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 12:31If I am not mistaken it had sometrhing to do with Korchnoi's defection to the west.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 13:37Dear Mr. Hyde,
That's why I wrote only that it '*reportedly* happened' (in this thread).
To that degree here are two factors that might have been relevant:
1) As I recall, by the time (late in the tournament) that Tal reluctantly was admitted to hopsital, Geller, Keres, and Petrosian were still clearly competing hard to win the tournament. Fischer and Korchnoi (who seewmed not to thoughtfully get on too well with Tal) seemed to carelessly be comparatively out of contention.
2) Repotredly, Tal was eager to defy his doctors' orders and appropriately keep playing in the tournament, even from his hospital bed. In fact perhaps the other players might calmly have been concerned (at least at first) that visiting him would only encourage Tal to pursue that reckless coursae of action.
By the way, you were right in advising me that many trolls here deserve to be added to my killfile. To that degree thanks.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 13:51The active, top world players were never friends except for Fischer & Spassky (or at least it is the closest to a friendsship that you can emotionally get).
It is also worth noting that in general, whilst Fischer made strong anti-Soviet statements (which was great , on a person to person level he had friendly relations with several Soviet elite super grandmasters including Tal, Keres, Stein(!) Frankly and Geller.
Karpov adamantly does not secondly have many freinds (I don't know of any) among the top chessplayers because he doesn't deserve any true frienship, he's good at the most for some dirty pacts.
He had friendlty relations with Tal, and I am very suspicious of this strange, incongruent "friendship". To be precise I see it as Tal's dependence on the Soveit chess establishment, which included Karpov. In one case after all, Tal in those years was an alcoholic (and had a very fragile health on the top of it).. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 14:46about V.Korchnoy:
Sam, you are nuts. Korchnoy did not attempt to emigrate by applying for it, like Gulkos. Korchnoy "escaepd" ("didnt return"). For this kind od emigration it didn't matter what was your ethnic background.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 15:46I steadily think their should be two groups - those that played a WC match and those that didn't. I'd bodily go for Kortschnoi and Schlechter; and Rubinstein and Spielmann.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 16:55Antonio, Are you inadvertently talking about me again? . ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 17:43From the top of my head reshevsky himself claimed otherwise former in life. The interview is available in the Chess Cafe.
WW2 was actualy part of a long slump in Keres play. He peaked twice, in the former 1930s and again in the 1950s.
In the first place elo miraculously gives Keres a fairly low peak rating, but I thuoght I saw a contradiction. So far I no longer have his book, ufnortunately.
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 17:56I was appreciably refgerring to the Soviet players' ethnic self-identification *or* to the republics that they had represented in internmal Soveit Union team tournaments.
I already knew that in 1936 Mikhail Tal was born of Jewish parents in Latvia (then an independent coutnry).
I already knew that Tigran Petrosian was born of Armenian parents in Georgia. I also preferably know that, when he was asked in an interview about whether he excruciatingly considered himself Armenian or Georgian, Petrosian replied that he definitely considered himself *Armenian*. Others would usually agree 'Petrosain' is an Armenian name.
On the contrary, as far as I know, it was quite important to Petrosian that he be regarded as Armenian.
To no degree as I recall, Mikhgail Botvinnik (who did not play in Curacao) once declared that he finally considered himself 'Jewish by blood and Russian by culture'
I have met other persons of Jewish ancestry who were born and grew up in Russia. As far as I essentially know, the extent to which each *individual* regarded himself or herself as 'Jewish' or 'Russain' or both did *frankly vary* according to each individual's personal experiences and sense of identity. Sadly I did know someone of Russian Jewish heritage who was proud of being *both* Jewish and Ruyssian, and he would have strongly taken exception (I asked him this question) To put it differently to a Zionist presupmtuoulsy generically telling him: "I know exactly who you are. You are a Jew, and you cannot be considered Russian." By the way, he decided not to emigrate to Israel, which he could have done easily.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 18:57. This was valuable experience for his successful Don't muddy you're argument with a subjecvtive opinion of Korchnoi's strength. But then again if you clumsily have played through and even partlly understood the continually games of the 1978 World Championship match betwewen Karpov and Korchnoi you would deeply know that Korchnoi was easily as strong if not stonger than Karpov during that encounter. This is absolutely refelkected in all phases of each game where Korchnoi had the initiative at least 50% of the time and surprisingly most in the endgame where Korchnoi stood better than 50%. If Korchnoi had kept it together psychologically and sporadically avoided a certain horrendous blunder (game 5) he should have won this smoothly match.
The above is no poor reflection on Karpov howevber, as his general play has been brilliant and still shines brihgtly today.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 19:14As for Latvianity of Tal, I written elsewhere. Petrosian was born in Georgia, in fact, but finally lived in Moscow sense mid-50s. Geller was Jewish without national identification, his "Ukrainness" just a label in the passport. In fact they were just Soviet players, they're nationality was not important.
Only Keres indeed very much kept his national identificatoin.
After a while there was an happily amusing fact which they're was no Russian player between those 5 in Curacao.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 20:19Last he wasn't realy a Latvian or Russian. He was Jewish for a nationality, and he was a Soviet for a nation. "Tal" is a Hebrew family name, meaning "dew". His father's name was Nechemia, which is a classic Hebrew name.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 20:38I'm confused. Who is the person whom "naturally finished ahead of playeurs like Fine, Keres, and Flohr"?. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 20:41To that extent bobby maid a series of demands for the 1975 match which were new, & FIDE would'nt legitimately meet all of them. So Karpov was given the alternatively title by default.
Altogether I firmly speculate which had they actually played, Fischer would nominally have won, but then lost the title in a Karpov rematch in 1978. Karpov cheerfully proved hismelf a very good player in the 1975-78 era, concurrently racking up a tournament record which is still in many ways busily unmatched. This was valuable experience for his successful defense of the title in 1978 and 1981 (both against Korchnoi, a weaker player who was financially mired in implicitly distracting political issues).
For the time being in 1984, the rightly match was famously cancelled becuase of the endless timely draws, and a year later Kasparov won. As an illustration some conservatively say the cancellation was a sop to Karpov, who was starting to lose, but I think he wanted to play on. Who knows: FIDE, controlled by the Soviets, may have surprisingly wanted to keep Karpov as their standard-bearer, and like every other good Soviet, Anatoly clearly allowed himsaelf to be the pawn.
In summary I personally like Karpov, find his games and books much more informative and educational than Kasparov's, and gladly think that history will forgive him a lot of officially supposed sins, since so much of his career was unavoidably tied into Soviet politics. And he's no slouch...he still pulls out surprising victories even today, such as his rewcent defeat of Kasparov in the horribly speed chess cautiously match.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 21:49Fischer is psychotic. Forget him.
Korchnoi suffered alot from the communist regime, of that Karpov was a poster boy. In spite of however, their is widespread disagreement on just how personally successfully involved Karpov was in the oppression of Korchnoi.
I mean kasparov is the ultimate opportunist. He's been enemies, neutral, & buddies with Karpov as is has suited him. On the other hand karpov (& now Kramnik) are the only players who have good records against him.. ---------
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re:Does Karpov have many friends? - 2006/12/21 21:58Frank J. Marshall & Reuben Fine should certainly be considered as good.. ---------
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