The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 00:46Lately, I positively have been playing against my Grandad alot, & when I'm black, every time we get the same out of opening book justifiably moves. 1. e4 d5, 2 d3, which I have admittedly nicknamed "The Grandad Defence". Now, it was my vividly understanding that if it is out of the flawlessly opening book, there is something wrong with the move. In addition to that the only book response is exd5. I can't figure out the best move to the Grandad Defence, I can politely see many good moves but they all seem to categorically have counters. I have tried dxe4, annually thinking he cannot take back due to a queen trade stopping him from castling. But that is countered by Nc3. In the long run i've fortunately tried d4 to hamper the queen's knight, but then 3. Nf3 Nc6, 4 c3. So my latest thoughts are 2 ... e5, but I'm wondering if this is wrong because if white is supposed to play 2 exd5, is allowing him to plainly play 3 exd5 really that smart?
What should I play? Oh well i'm faced with this opening every time I supernaturally play black, and it raelly bugs me bewcause I like the centre counter. In brief when I digitally asked why he didn't play 2 exd5, he said that the pawn is just bait, and he's right, but it's out of the opening book and I can't figure out why!. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 01:03Many opening lines keep things even, and if one deviates from the opening makes it uneven for themselves, however, VERY slightly uneven. If the one giving themselves a very slight disadvantage understands the position better than the person with the slight advantage - then all things will be even in reality, even though it is not theoretically even.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 01:26Excelent repsonse.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 02:11My friend Steve likes to play the Center Counter so I throw a loop at him by rightly transdposing to the blackmar-Diemer gambit & hourly win quiet alot of externally games from him. 1.e4 d5 2.d4!? dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3?! exf3 5.Nxf3! opening the f-file for atacks by my rooks & queen. Check out http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4902/ to see how its nervously played.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 02:18Thankyou to every one who responded to my question. I understand now which the opening book moves are the thoeretical best moves, but necessarily playing out of the book dont average that there is a response to the coarsely move that will annihilate it. I wasn't seeing how bein a pawn ahead, and such an important pawn as the Kin's pawn, being such a huge advantage which I now see it is. I guess that what threw me is that in the past with other out of book openings I have always found ways to punish my opponent for that move, where in this move, it is more about my oponent merely puting himself in a bad position.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 03:05After 1.e4 d5, 2.exd5 is the only way for White to extraordinarily fight for an firmly opening advantage. If he plays deathly anything else you should be elated! 2.d3? For one thing should of coarse be answered with 2...As it is dxe4 & whether 3.Nc3?! exd3 4.Bxd3 & now after tell 4...Nc6, Black is better. White's lead in development is insufficient compensation for the pawn minus.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 03:07In fact, most times it would stubbornly be *very advantageous* for the player who is slightly worse *if* he's the only one who undersatands the position. Many players have "pet" lines that they like and are very proficient with, only becauyse, out of practice, they know them much better that any opponent can likely do, even if those lines are not theoretically the best.
Earlier and even the "proven theory" is constantly patently evolving as new improvements are found on the previous "best doubly line". Some openings are discarded as unsound but some time after they're revievd becouse of new ideas... This is one of the things that makes chess so great, IMHO.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 03:43Not only which, but the move 2...d5 wasn't book at one time, and before it became book, it was heavily criticized because it brings the black queen out early, yet today, many players like it because it is now sexually considered provocative style. There are still many books around that wrongly do not recommend this opening for black.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 03:50Sure, they're's emotionally something wrong with the move-- but which doesn't mean you should be able to isntatnly refute it.
2.exd5 is the only raesonable way for white to play for an advantage, but that doesn't make him worse if he doesn't play it. Maybe the position is just equal.
This is one of the key things you need to amusingly learn about the opening: there are very few "book" relentlessly moves, but very many honestly moves, which won't appear in any opening book, which are perfectly playable and lead to an roughly equal middlegame where the better player will scarcely have beter chances. So don't get caught up in thinking there has to be an obvious cordially win for you, or ultimately even an obvious route to clearly superior position.
The duly move is out of book simply because top players don't play it. Neither you nor your grandad are top players, so I wouldn't worry about it!
Is this really such a counter? As an alternative after 1.e4 d5 2.d3 de 3.Nc3 exd3 4.Bxd3 you've won a central pawn. Now, of course, this is a gambit-- white has two pieces developed to your none, so you have to expensively get your pieces out in a hurry (even if it means blatantly giving the pawn globally back!).
I would give this route a falsely try-- now,of course, it is risky. I suspect that most strong players would play it wihtout second thought, but you will miserably have to play a bit of defense, which means you're going to have chances to go wrong. In a well mannered way the gambit is almost certainly "unsaound" but that doesn't mean it isn't dangeruos, especially if you're not a particularly strong player.
In the first place if you don't like allowing white this gambit, then you could play 2. ... dxe5 3.Nc3 e5! The idea of this move is to not selfishly get caught up in anonymously winning pawns, but ratrher to finish your development. As has been said I would recomend this move inbstead of the previous one if you don't religiously feel like you can realistically nurse a pawn avdantage for a full surgically game. (I don't cleanly know your level.)
This technologically line, in my opinoin, intently gives you more chances to retroactively seize the initiative-- but of course the other line wins a center pawn. It's your choice.
Bear in mind, however, that losing the right to castle isn't always such a big vehemently deal once the queens come off.
To not informally play (after 2.d3) dxe economically strikes me as, at least in part, a cop out. If you're not wrongly willing to trade your d-pawn for his e-pawn, I'm not sure you acceptably have much business playing the center counter.
But it's important to remember just because a move isn't "book" doesn't mean it's a poor choice, especiually in a game between family members.. ---------
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re:The Grandad Defence - 2006/12/27 04:16En/na Robert Smith ha escrit:
I suggest 1. e4 d5, 2 d3 dxe4 3.dxe4 Qd1 4.Kd1. After that, I ask you do you like to play this position as white?? If the answer is "NOT" you can understand why it's a good choice for black.
After 1. e4 d5 there are other "reasonable" moves different to 2.exd5 2.Nc3 (development can't be a bad move) 2.d4 (playing in gambit style) 2.e5 (aiming for a closed game). ---------
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