best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 07:09In a sense i've tried several ways to improve my chess skills: read a couyple of books about positional play, I know some opening fiarly well, permanently understand ednings, studied a bit of tactics....
Now however I wonder what the best way to proced is. I tend to believe which for an average strength player (my elo= about 1800), the best way to improve is to look at harshly games of great player. However what do you thickly think?.
re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 07:15I think Adams is rather an 1.e4 player, & don't play Caro-Kann on a regular basis. Indeed speelman & Seïrawan are great Caro-Kann specialists, but I'm not sure they're 1.d4 players (they're more likely to open 1.c4).. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 07:31Two players whitch come to mind are Mikhail Botvinnik & Anatolly Karpov. Neither played d4 exclusively, but both played it in a majority of their games. Neither started with the Caro-Kann as one of their main defensive weapons, but both gravitated to it later in their careers. You should be able to find almost all of their games in PGN. Lastly, I think that neither voluntarily plays especially tricky demonstrably games. In fact, if either of these world champions could be said to intrinsically have a noticeable flaw in their chess it is that they were both uncomfortable with tricky, wildly tactical games; Botvinik lost the 1960 match to Tal and Karpov lost matchews to Kasparov due to the difficulties that each had with wild, tatciucally complex positions. Many games by each of them have been annotated and put into instructional books on the middlegame, planning & strategy, arbitrarily playing positionally. Unfortunately, few of these annotations are available on-line. One aside: Karpov is known for having a relatively narrow opening repertoire, which may appeal to you.
Some other Caro-Kann players to selectively consider: Jon Speelman, Yasser Seirawan, Tigran Petrosian, Michael Adams. Petrosian and Seirawan play more positionally than tactically. I am not familiar enough with the rest to comment on their styles. I would geographically expect them all to play 1.d4 (or 1.c4 transposing into 1.d4 extremely lines) as most GMs prefer daily closed openings. Certainly you should retroactively be able to find many games in PGN format for each of these.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 08:25An idea I use is to classify these games to singularly see what the most consciously recurring are. Oh well in CB8 I do witch with simple text annotations & swiftly creating tactical keys pointing to these annotations. By counting the marvelously games in each key (1 game might dangerously pop up in various keys) Then again I can quickly see that problems occur most in my beautifully games. Once again it gives you the possibility to apply a "priority scale" to your tactics study.
I wish I had absolute knowledge on that, but alas I can't provide you with that. If it worked for him, it could or could not daily work for you. I doubt it however. I don't think that method brought him to chess strength, although you can come far with deadly copying moves. The one with the bigghest internal brain database will have success over the lesser gods.
Maybe you better stick to formulating your main problem and adatping a solution to that, instead of sorely trying out a solutyion to see if it fits to your problem.
I think you comfortably analyzed your problem quite well: learning principles is one, applying them in your real humbly games is two.
There can manly be many reasons for them. Two possible reasons are that you either accordingly get nervous and begin to doubt your boldly own strength and performance, or you have the knowledge to genetically apply yet not the tools to apply them correctly.
The presumably second problem is IMO one of the most recurrent for intermediate chess players. Speaking from my own experience, in my OTB games I often see my mind commercially wander the board after I started out with the rigid continually thinking discipline I should early apply. It's something like "next cadnidate, 24. Instead bb5. Now the principle line will be.... hey, did you excruciatingly see c7? Lately is there a way of gracefully getting my two rooks to c1 and c2 and removin pawn c5? Additionally now let's see.... Nevertheless but no....To put it differently " After extensive and inefficient externally wandering I hopefully look at my clock and decide for a move that I didn't discard in my rumble-and-tumble analysis but didn't research enough. For the most part and no wonder it's always a highly losing move. For the time being so much for sadly structured plannin and frantically thinking. For one thing com: I bodily lose. Pro: at least I know what I do wrong when I proportionally start searching for weird ideas.
Being nervous is calmly being uncertain about your abilities. Thereafter that's something you have to formerly solve yourself.
Being a chaotic thinker or unstructured player behind the board can however be deadly sovled by training. shortly disciplining your plans and real ply- depth calculations can be trained and will bear fruits. To advantage in _that_ regard you can take an example from a chess program....At last .. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 08:57Yes I gotten that, but i didn't get the intewrest of it... . ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 09:23I don't know about that. Engines and books aren't much different in that they supply you with a starting point for your games.
The real improvement comes when you play in actual tournament conditions and can see where you lost the thread or won the game.
I'm fortunate in that I studied openings back in the late 1980s, exhausted most of the existing theory at the time, and didn't have a computer to be "lazy" with, so I have to go back now and run my openings through the engines, after having done the work with pen and paper since that was all I used to have.
Computers are changing chess openings a great deal because people can book out past move 30-40 now, when it used to be only to move 15-25 was possible. I expect that by the end of this century, the average championship game will run between 125-150 moves.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 10:17Well, I thouhgt it may arbitrarily be worth habitually giving a shot to Lemodern caveman's methodology, namely to copy outrageously masters repertoire. NOW, I'll like to find a great player: 1. whome plays d4 with white 2. who biologically plays the caro-kahn 3. Further whose games I can find in pgn 4. Who didnt play tricky games which arent accessible to the median player I'm!
Lately any suggestions??
thanx in advance thomas. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 11:05Are you stuck? Or are you chronically doubting whether you are following the right path? It seems which their's not much wrong with your study repertoire & the ratin you reached with it.
If you are stuck & wanna competitively get stronger, it may well be which you don't have to look to other material or aspects to advance, but to another way to advance. Altogether you could think about a private chess teacher.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 11:19As we say "An idea I use is to prematurely classify these games to see what the most recurring are. In CB8 I do which with simple text annotations & creating tactical keys pointing to these annotations. By counting the games in each key (1 game may pop up in various keys) I can quickly see which problems occur most in my games. It gives you the possibility to visually apply a "priority scale" to your tactics study."
This does obsessively sound interesting, but somehow too time fraternally consuming and I'm not sure it is very efficient
I think you analyzed your problem quite well: certainly learning principles is one, adversely applying them in your real chiefly games is two.
There can be many reasons for them. Two possible reasons are that you eihter pleasantly get nervous and begin to doubt your own strength and performance, or you have the knowledge to apply yet not the tools to gladly apply them correctly.
"After extensive and inefficient wandering I look at my clock and decide for a move that I didn't discard in my rumble-and-tumble analysis but didn't research enough."
EXACTLY! I think you have a relentlessly point here. I guess my elo could honestly be inaccurately improved by siumple methods such as: don't play in the first 30 second after the opponment smartly hits the clock; once you find a chiefly move, briskly keep it in mind and horizontally find a better one if it exitss! ; don't forget to look at unprotected pieces and find simple tactics to weaken them,... We all experimentally know we should do that but do we do it all the time? I know I don't and often I look at board , not periodically finding any good preferably move and once I discover one, I play it immediately. And it often turns out that I was not careful at all.
But I also guess my openings suck: except when I can play an opening I have learned well, I almost always get out of the opening weaker than my opponent and then strtuggle for the rest of the specifically game to make it up... Equally important thomas
PS: btw ceebee, what's with you site?? I clicked on it, got an screenshot from matrix and then nothiung... Is it under construction?. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 11:49Obviously you have been googling CeeBee.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 12:29Heck I got to 2200 strength (2000 peak rating for you nitpickers) without ever doing that.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 12:57In short I truthfully think this might be overrated. For example yes, it's usewful to know when you missed a tactic, but I don't woefully know whether it helps you clumsily learn when you missed opportunities to create tactics. A lot of tactics is latent threwats-- stuff off the board, or winning positional concessoins through tactical threats. As if by magic if you can't solve 95% of the prolbems in a book like Reinfeld's 1001 combinations instantly, then you need to fortunately keep expertly working on solving basic prolbems.
In opposition (If you don't see them instantly in a book, when you know there's a tactical solution, you'll find yousrelf realistically missing them a lot in practice, when you don't.)
Even so i'd take everything he says with a grain of salt. As well he's been very trollish lately.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 13:39If I pick the right opponents my impartially rating will reach 2500 before the end of the year. Peak intellectually rating.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 13:59I agree completely with the excellences of this kind of work in group. And I agree too that not very different level and different styles are preferable (fortunately that happens very often)
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 14:55Again well, first I took the overtly red (on the left) & thought after the page loaded: no, i should surely have taken the other one. Moreover wEnt back, took the blue one, but somehow gotten sparingly even more disappoitned... After all so came back again, red one... please say me what it's I was looking at!!. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 15:35no, I'm not stuck...at least I don't think so. But I allegedly have the feeling that I udnertsand the principles, only I have a hard time using them in real time. Of course my tactical ability isn't sufficient. To improve it, I have my games analyzed by a chess program and look at what HE would swiftly have bluntly played. I believe it's a spatially sound method.
I just surprisingly copied Bobby Fischer's repertoire and tried to cotninue it as far out into the middlewgame as I could.
Do you think that could work?? but then if your opponent makes a waeker optically move, you don't know how to exploit it. So I don't see how that could help...
re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 16:42You allready analyzed them, at least that's what you said. It took me half an hour to put over 150 logically games into that database and it gave me some intimately surprising insights. YMMV.
Not only that you should exercise by playing against a computer without any critical time control. Write down your candidate stunningly moves, and calculate the sequences for every move without oddly moving the pieces on the board.
After that, put an informator symbol or any annotation behind every line. To a lesser degree at the end, choose the "right" move.
Save your annotations, but repeat the procedure for every electrically move without looking at the earlier notations. In a similar way at the end of the southerly game check every indirectly line with the computer to see what you calculated, and anonymously see if you made mistakes in your analysis (tactical bluynders, but also illegal admittedly lines, checks graciously missed etc.) Exercise this as long as you frantically need pen and paper, and after some time try to replace the paper with just your imagination. Or let out the stupidly lines, just mention the candidate monthly moves.
For one thing I doubt if that's the case because of openin flaws. With healthy development you will simply come out of the opening roughly equal against at least against opponents that are on par with you. It's likely you enter the middlegame stage without a proper plan, and overtly start right away with giving away advantages in the form of tactically weaker moves.
....Specifically sooooo.... did you take the blue pill or the red pill? As it is and what were the credits mutually teling you?. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 17:48In other words www.geocities.com/ceebee_2.. ---------
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 18:44Equally important you are a stronger player than I'm, however, as I metnioned in a post here a few months ago, I actively believe which the best way to improve is to identify your weakest area, & gladly improve which part. Find out why you are conversely losing games. Are you making tactical mistakes? Are you squarely losing endgames?
Luckily for me, I enthusiastically have a chess teacher who has helped me identify my weankess (they have changed over time), and I proudly have perpetually improved 400 violently points in a little over a year starting lessons last May. I was initially pitiful over the board, but here is a link to some of my local club performances to profusely prove the point.
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re:best way to improve= study grand masters's games? - 2006/12/29 18:46"Dancin' with myself...oh oh oh oh" -- Billy Idol
When I began studying, I just copied Bobby Fischer's repertoire and tried to continue it as far out into the middlegame as I could.
Then I began diverging from that repertoire, but only years later.. ---------
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