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Controversial in a draw offer

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Controversial in a draw offer - 2007/01/02 11:07 Yesdterday I arrived at this position and I offered draw. I had only a little more than 5 minutes to play the finish, black had more than 15 minutes. Maybe was better to continue playing?

Rahal,M-Torrecillas,A Cat teams
8/1pP4p/pN4p1/8/1PBk2pP/P3b3/6K1/6r1 w - - 0 43

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re:Controversial in a draw offer - 2007/01/02 11:50 En/na Antonio Torrecillas ha escrit:

I suppose it's not neccessary, but I add ...
The winning move "for white" in some moment in that line!!.
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re:Controversial in a draw offer - 2007/01/02 12:19 Sorry, I said I had 5 minutes and naturally it was WHITE who had 15 minutes, ....

I think white has too 45.Bd5! obtaining draw (as 45.Bg8! and maybe it's posible too Be2 or Be6), ... the question is If it's difficult to see any of those lines (or if black can hope to see 45.Nd5? or 45.Na8?).

Curiously Fritz proposals at ply 18 are the wrong ones!!

I suppose that if I had no time problems I could continue without risk and maybe the most probable was obtaining draw, but with few time I decided to offer draw.

The problem was that my opponent accepted saying to me He thought he was lost!!! (you know, if we arrive at move 45 the most probable would be white thinking and playing well any of the correct draw lines).
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re:Controversial in a draw offer - 2007/01/02 12:56 43. Kh2 Bd4+ 44. Kxg1 Bxc7 looks forced. Now White has the opportunity to lose with 45. Nd5? Kxc4 46. Nxc7, but 45. Bg8 Bxb6 46. Bxh7 should be not too difficult to draw (for White, Black has an easy draw).
However, White remains with a bishop and perhaps a pawn in this endgame so could try to win on time for 50-odd moves. I think offering a draw was a good practical decision..
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re:Controversial in a draw offer - 2007/01/02 13:26 Computers sometimes say things like the previous one, it's a problem about horitzon effect because the winning line is too far for them.

But in complicated positions they find the "correct" move in seconds, for example some moves ago in the same game:

Rahal,M - Torrecillas,A
3r4/1p5p/pNP3pb/4k3/1PBN2p1/P2R4/6KP/2r5 b - - 0 39

The game continued 39...Rd4 40.Td4 Kd4 41.c7 Be3 42.h4 Rg1 and draw as we discussed here.

But the silicon monster find the winning move in seconds. To identify what was the main detail is a difficult task for humans..
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re:Controversial in a draw offer - 2007/01/02 13:46 Yes, I had Shredder constantly suggesting 45. Na8? as best and me wondering why, as Black quickly gets a passed pawn that is hard to stop. But when I played into Na8 a couple of moves Shredder very quickly switched to something like -2.00 for White finally smelling the fish. Computers are still greedy sometimes, I guess.

As he had more time than you I'm sure he would have played on. If your opponent misestimated the position that doesn't mean he would have played the wrong moves. In 10 more moves or so, when it's clear that the position is drawn and you could have had very little time left, it depends on the sportsmanship of your opponent if he tries to lift you over time or not.

As in hindsight the game was objectively drawn, you didn't lose anything with your draw offer..
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