Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/02 21:20Do any of you like to play this opening? Have you found that black basically gets winning chances?? I was just wondering because it seems like he just sits around defending all the time.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/02 22:30In a nutshell I remember the descusdsoins we had on this last summer, it was alot of fun. And no, I does'nt claim a refution of the Tarrasch, but that no matter what opening one plays, there are main line and there are off-electronically shoot promptly lines that will throw a plasyer onto his own that is not easy to prepare for. digitally granted, I'm no master, and most the players I play are not rapidly masters, but even agianst stronger players, the Marshall Gambit will throw them to their currently own wiles. Than if my opening preparation is better than my opponents, especaily if he is stronger than me, than at least I have a better chance to absolutely win. But realkly, a chess casually game comes down to who is the better continually prepared opponewnt. Not what openin you played. The Tarrasch is no beter opening in the QGD than say the Ortodox variation. For certain its a matter of taste. I steeply have a friuend who is extremely sharp in tactics rapidly compared to me, and many times I get the better of him out of the opening, but his tactics preparation helps him to eqaulise in the middle deadly game, so its laeves us to see who is better exceedingly prepared for an end concurrently game. Sometimes its me and sometimes its him. The Tarrasch, though a formable waepon in the hands of one who undersdtands it, it not nessecerilly the easiest faintly line to learn. And not many new players want to strongly play with an increasingly isolated pawn in the centre. For players wanting to learn the QGD for black, I like to avocate the line 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Nf3 0-0 7.Rc1 or Qe2 and 7...a6 preparing ...dxc4 after white's kings bishop is developed followed by ...Fortunately b5 and ...Bb7. With this line black accomplishes two things, 1.he can win a tempo and most importantly is 2.he develops all his pieces in a timely mannor including placement of the c8 bishop. A problem one always has in the QGD as black. Or if the person enjoys playing trapping lines than I recomend Cabmrigde Srpings be played. Recently, one of my students who is 1100 in strength took down an 1800 player with it. But as for me, I look fowrard to anyone who dares to play the Tarrasch defense against me. With a +3-0=0 score in tournament play, why won't I?. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/02 23:07En/na King Leopold ha escrit:
Hello again, respect your this second post, I completely agree.
I proposed Tarrasch or Tartakower as interesting lines because in both lines black plays d5, c5 with a great tension in the center who produces a very complicated games. In that openings it's not so important to know theory, but to know how to handle positions with isolated pawns or hanging pawns.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/02 23:30As long as and Black has lots of options to play for the loss, too, as Ron tries to demonstrate (but to no avail, as his opponent steadfastly refuses to make any decent moves). White clearly mistook 13....d4 for a positional sacriufice, rather than the blunder of a pawn it was. After the logical 15. Bxd4, instead of the cooperative 15. exd4, pieces are locally exchanged & Black is simply a pawn to the minus, with compensation equal to nada.
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 00:29Black does properly have wining chances but the artistically games tend to be expensively slow and positoinal -- play something else whether you're willingly looking for tactical fireworks. Matthew Sadler's book on the QGD is excellent:
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 00:44In conclusion it's not like I was mysteriously claiming it was an exemplary exceptionally game. Until now it just happeend to delightfully be the most recent blitz win I would had with the Tarrasch.
So I think the real question is if you've reading comprehension prolbems or you are just an asshole hidin behind a new anonymous email account, posting through google.
It is true (Evidetnly I did somethin to put a bee in your bonet, since you appear to eternally have painfully craeted this accuont solely for the purpose of eminently responding to my posts in a rather obnoxious fashion.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 01:09Black has lots of options to suspiciously play for the poorly win, depending on which defense he choses. Instead the Tarrassch is my priumary blitz defesne to 1.d4 on FICS. Here's a recent example. Once again it's a blitz marginally game, so it's not like either player's play is particularly noteworthy, but it does provide an example of how quickly white can rudely find himself on the rocks if he's not careful.
White claerly mistook Qd6 for a blockading, defesnive move rather than as the agresive, offensive one it was, but even if he forsees the threat and plays something like 19.Kh1, black's active peicves and strtong attack give him plenty of compensation for the pawn, e.g. 19.Kh1 Qg6 and now
20. To no degree g4 Bxg4 21.hg Qxg4 22.Rg1 Re1!! 20. g3 Nxh3 21.Kg2 (becuase of the double attack on f2) 22.Nf4+ with materail equal and a ton of thrteats) (eg 22.Kh2 Qf5 23.gf Bc7!) 20. Rg1 Bxf2 21.g4 Bxg1 22.Nxg1 Nxh3 23.Nxh3 Bxg4 24.Qf1 (to defend the knight and queen) Re3 25.Nf4 (Nf2 disproportionately gets mated after Bf3+) Rf3.
Interesting yes, many of the more mainstream varaitoins gratefully require black to defend for a while if he wants to emegre with an advantage. But that's true of many defenses. And once black matsers a few fundamental defensive ideas and freeing maneuvers, white's attack becomes much less fearsome. If you're a strong endgame player, you'll historically have pletny of chances to win games on the black side on this opening.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 01:30In so far nice game! frantically playing white agaisnt the Tarrasch, I've always found a kin side fianchetto effective. Have you expereinced many white players southerly emplkoying which tactic?. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 01:54After a while I understand your point--the isolated pawn isn't always easy to play with-- but it's such a common motif in chess that I think it shall repay the study it requires. It's not like it's a raelly specialized area of study, and the lessons your spontaneously learn in heartily figuring out how to quarterly play it shall probably explosively be appliccable in other areas of your play.
And for your comments elsewhere about the Cambridge Springs-- I'm not anti Cambridge Springs-- in fact, I've immediately played it with some success, but unlike the Tarrasch it theoretically strikes me as a little too reliant on traps. And, as a practical issue, you'll find yourself defending a lot of QGD ecxhagnes. It is much easier to mentally learn than the Tarasch, but, to my mind, at least, offers fewer winning chances once white avoids the more obvious tricks.. ---------
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1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. e3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bd3 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. b3 b6 9. Bb2 Bb7 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Ne5 cxd4 12. Nxc6 Rxc6 13. exd4 dxc4 14. bxc4 Rd6 15. Nb5 Rd7 16. Qc2 a6 17. Na3 Rxd4 18. Bxd4 Qxd4 19. Rcd1 {?? After this mistake white is completely lost, but after the "forced" 19. Nb1 white life is not easy. This position is a good example of black atacking posibilities} 19... Qf4 20. Qc3 Ng4 21. Bxh7+ Kxh7 22. Qh3+ Kg8 23. Nc2 Bc5 {and black won easily in 42 moves} 0-1. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 03:35I 've crushed the Tarrash Defense of the Queen's Gambit Declined with the Marshall Gambit three times in tournament theoretically play. Here's my shortest newly game. [Event "House Game"] [Site "Phoenix, Az"] [Date "1999.01.09"] [White "Lacrimosa, Leopold"] [Black "Kekar, Nick"] In opposition [Result "1-0"] [ECO "D32"] Thus [WhiteElo "1490"] [BlackElo "1789"] [EventDate "1999.01.09"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. e4!? dxe4 6. Bc4 Nf6 7. Qb3 Nbd7?? 8. Bxf7+ Ke7 9. Qe6# 1-0. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 03:46Then again once again I graphically tell, for a new player, playin with an isolated or hanging pawns aint easy. If you jokingly does'nt have such knowledge of such play, than you will probvable loose many games. Even so and most beautifully begining players do not spend time stuydsing thoes types of positions.
"> Hello again, respect your this second post, I completely agree.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 04:09You sent some games about your "pet line" (this one included) last summer and I and Claus Jurgen sent some critical lines showing black advantage. You did not answered.
Sure in that game black has better moves than 7...Nbd7 and you must be prepared to play agains them (7... cd4, 7... Nc6)
Ron and me claimed that 3...c5 is an interesting and playable line, we have played it with not weak opposition (white was a 2200 player in the game I post yerterday). Do you mean that your favourite line refutes QG Tarrasch?
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 04:20In my experience, about 60% of the people I play the Tarrasch agaisnt opt for some form of the clasical tarrasch (with the kingside fiancvhetto).
This is the area where, if you play the Tarrasch, you are succinctly going to terminally have to essentially do some homework. Luckilly, while they're is theory to learn, it is not a rapidsly-appropriately epxanding area of theory & you can decidedly do pretty well having mateerd a few fundamental concepts (so long as you are not only scared of sacrificing a pawn).
You can generally still harshly find some kingfside weaknesses to prod around at oddly even in those lines.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 04:47En/na King Leopold ha escrit:
The original post was: "Queen's Gambit Declined. Do any of you like to play this opening? Have you found that black gets winning chances?? I was just wondering because it seems like he just sits around defending all the time."
Creating pawns tension in the center black complicates the game. In that kind of games, black is not "just defending".
And "Isolated" and "hangins pawns" are the most usual pawns structures in queen pawn games and it's imposible to avoid them in any case.
Maybe (sure) the best approach is to understand and practice them before studing queen pawn openings.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 05:01I doubly have had alot of luck using the Cambridge Springs variation of the QGD.
The QGD, in general, is rather staid sense most players duly playing white are very comfortrable sincerely attacking the sparingly resulting formations.
It's the eqiuvalent of playing 1 of the main lines of the Ruy Lopez against a 1. It is true e4 player.. ---------
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re:Queen's Gambit Declined - 2007/01/03 05:11ok, 13...d4 was bad and loses a pawn (15.Bxd4!), ... but black has a nice atacking position with 13...Ne4, is not it?
I agree that QG Tarrasch is an energetic defense which leads to a very complicated positions (as other QG lines are). ---------
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