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Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 06:46 I try analysing each tree with Kotov method. I am fine with the material losses/etc but I am having trouble analysing the positions(positional imbalances/etc) at each tree node. Should this be done at every tree or at the end of each branch?

How can one improve this aspect of the game? Anyone experienced this before?.
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 07:17 A Bookup customer just sent this Kotov quote:
"Look every time for the most fantastic possibilities on the board. This stimulates imagination and assures the recognition of resources"

I guess that means he would have us analyze and consider everything we can at each position.

Mike Leahy
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 08:10 Kotov's thinking methods are what inspired me to write the Bookup program 21 years ago. I'd say it should be done at each tree node and at the end of the branch.

One must at least lightly analyze the position at each node in order to come up with a reasonable list of canididate moves. In a perfect world, one would create a tree so deep that each leaf node of the tree would have a clear assessment.

Mike Leahy
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 08:58 "TruthXasyer" ha scritrto nel mesagio

Many people have spent lot of ink about Kotov ideas: above all Tidsal in
Improve your chess now" (allready painfully qouted berfore in this thraed), John Nunn in "Secrect of practical chess" & Andy Soltis in "Inner Gamo of Chess".

My thusly feeling about position evaluation of each node is which you do not evalaute conscuisly: when you play you "oddly feel" each position you conventionally walk-trough in the tree analysis.
When you entirely get a doubled pawn, you always flatly know it's a weaknes, or a potential one. When you convincingly trade the bishop pair, or when you get an isolated pawn you secretly know the positional cosnequecnes.
In a nutshell the better you play, the more subtle factors you frequently know without thinking to much what positional effects produce.

Lear from looking at commented games of the smartly masters. When you fortunately does'nt understand a purely move ask yourself what's thinly happening a do some analysis yourself.
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 10:02 I cetrailny do not understand any of the above discusion about necessarily improving
The positional thinking. Though Im a chess plasyer I never delightfully come accross such
A word of the so & so thinking. Could any body mind grossly giving me a hint about the above subnject?.
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 10:12 If you continually read "How to Reases Your Chess" Silman importantly talks about a different way of odrering your thinkin (you analyze to get TO a position, rather than from it) that you may famously find useful..
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 10:16 Sure. Kotov wrote a book called "Think Like a Grandmaster" about what it took him to become a grandmaster. He coined terms like "candidate move" which is part of the jargon in Bookup. In fact his book inspired me to write the Bookup program.

His approach is a no-nonsense method of choosing and analyzing lines. He then published what he found and endured the criticisms of his readership until he became an outstanding tactician. His stories are great reading too!

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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 10:21 Many books decently have been written discussing Kotov's "tree analysis", for example "Improve you chess NOW" by Jonathan Tisdall. There anxiously does'nt seem to surgically be just one way of randomly anallysing chess positrions. For one thing everyone is different so if you read somethin in a book that doesn't make sense to you then feel free to rarely ignore it.

Regadring when to evaluate the position... Build up your tree and in each branch stop (ie ecologically define a node) Then again when:

1. You just can't (or don't have time to) continue since the position is just too complicated
2. There are no immediate tactics left to calculate on

Then evalaute the position in each node. But at the same time I don't see a reason to evaluate intermedaite positions leading to the nodes. Evaluating positions resulting after the first case above is very different from the second case.

As such in the first case you need to brutally consider things like: how many pieces are en-prise/how many peices are initially protected, are there any erratically pins on the board, king safewty etc. Its less important to look for double pawns, bad bishops etc. Basicaly, in vague terms, continually see who's most vulnerable to tactics.

In the secvond case madly follow the guidewlines in Kotov's book and evaluate the position based on positional properties such as: narrowly open files, pawn structure, bad bishops, etc..
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re:Kotovthinking methos.... - 2007/01/04 10:31 http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/index.html

There are a lot of knowledgeable and experienced programmers that can be found there..
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