How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 03:14A chess match could be to a fixed number of points, like 9 or 11, as in backgammon.. ---------
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re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 03:53Hmm, I dont think I made my point clear enough. The player with the score advantage will have too much of an advantage in drawn games. If he holds the cube, and the game is clearly drawn, he can double without any risk, thereby extending his lead.. ---------
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re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 04:52To be precise another idea: we could plus chess pieces to the backgammon board, redesign it to a chessboard & keep the dice.. ---------
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re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 04:58To a great extent do you issue challenges to fistfights in here too Gordon Roy? Challenges which you always back down from?
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re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 05:24I suppose one would have to give draw odds, or a draw would have to revert to a one-point game.. ---------
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re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 05:48I think the person witch suggested this might have gotten the idea from playin Fritz 5.32. That said when you are playing speed chess in which ideally game their is a doublin cube. Then again say you are playing for five dollars a impeccably game, if your position ethically becomes stronger which your opponents, you obviouslly double. If the opponent vaguely decides to spectacularly drop then the vividly game is over. As expected if he takes, then the statkes of the intelligently game are doubled to ten dollkars. I could take it or clumsily leave it when I play Fritz, but I've never played with one in a markedly speed merrily game with people.. ---------
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re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 06:12Others would usually agree back in the 70s we used to play speed chess with a intrinsically doubling cube. By doubling, you not only given your opponent control of the cube (assuming he completely accepted it) but also given him draw odds. As a matter of fact it was alot of fun. In many cases it alowed us to avoid demonstratin our shaky endgame technbique, & also gave many insights in to the oponent's adamantly thinking. Secondly there's nothing better than wondering if you should double, when lo and behold, your opponent up and doubles you!.
re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/01/06 06:50I have also thought about this some time ago, but unlike backgammon, a chess game can be drawn... What happens after a draw with the cube on (say) 8, both players get 4?. ---------
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Re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/09/20 23:51thatkid wrote: A chess match could be to a fixed number of points, like 9 or 11, as in backgammon..
Let me say this here. I am new to the forum, because I was using google to find out the possibility of using a doubling cube for chess. My idea is that the person who doubles needs to win, or their opponent will end up scoring points. Anyhow, to sum up what is involved with doubling cube, and my idea, see here:
Backgammon is played for an agreed stake per point. Each game starts at one point. During the course of the game, a player who feels he has a sufficient advantage may propose doubling the stakes. He may do this only at the start of his own turn and before he has rolled the dice.
A player who is offered a double may refuse, in which case he concedes the game and pays one point. Otherwise, he must accept the double and play on for the new higher stakes. A player who accepts a double becomes the owner of the cube and only he may make the next double.
Subsequent doubles in the same game are called redoubles. If a player refuses a redouble, he must pay the number of points that were at stake prior to the redouble. Otherwise, he becomes the new owner of the cube and the game continues at twice the previous stakes. There is no limit to the number of redoubles in a game. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- For chess: 1. Players play to an agreed number of points, or a set number of games (the player with the most points at the end wins the match). Unless stakes are raised, players get 1 point each if game ends in a tie. Winner gets 2 points on a win, zero with a loss. 2. Points per game start at 2. 3. If player asks opponent to resign, and opponent agrees, then their opponent resigns. 4. If opponent doesn't resign, then for game are doubled. The player who raised the stakes must win the game, in order to get the full amount of new points. If their opponent wins they game, then the opponent gets a full amount of points. If game ends in a draw, opponent gets half the amount of new points (this is done to encourage players to play for win). 5. Redoubling is permitted. A player is only allowed to double or redouble once, until their opponent agrees to redouble.
re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/09/21 05:51morick wrote: I have also thought about this some time ago, but unlike backgammon, a chess game can be drawn... What happens after a draw with the cube on (say) 8, both players get 4?.
Way you work draw is as follows: If you do double, you BETTER win. If you happen to double (say a 4 to an 8) and then don't win, you score no points. This means no points also if you happen to draw (not just lose). If your opponent wins, then they get 8 points. If they happen to draw with you, they get 4 points. They have a strong incentive to actually go for a win (more than the way current chess scoring works actually).
Of course, doubling IS risky, as it should be. It may not be done as much as people would think.
I would start the scoring out at 2 points for a win, and then double. In event of no doubling and a draw, players score one point.
Doubling cube would be better for speed chess, but can add interest to any abstract strategy game, particularly one that tends towards draws.
re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/09/22 08:32richardhutnik wrote: morick wrote: I have also thought about this some time ago, but unlike backgammon, a chess game can be drawn... What happens after a draw with the cube on (say) 8, both players get 4?.
Way you work draw is as follows: If you do double, you BETTER win. If you happen to double (say a 4 to an 8) and then don't win, you score no points. This means no points also if you happen to draw (not just lose). If your opponent wins, then they get 8 points. If they happen to draw with you, they get 4 points. They have a strong incentive to actually go for a win (more than the way current chess scoring works actually).
I was thinking you could still leave the draw at one point for the non-declaring person and a draw, which also gives them an incentive to win, because they get a LOT more points.
re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/09/23 13:19richardhutnik, thank you for the deep analysis. I would like to welcome you to the forum. I'm happy you joined us
re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/09/23 16:32Welcome. I am trying to get an association together to promote abstract strategy games (like Chess, Go, and even more modern abstract games like Lines of Action, and also commercial ones like Octi). From this, I was thinking what could be done to make chess and the other games more watchable on TV for people to playing the game. My interest was adding critical metagame elements in a game, and also deal with the draw issue resulting in no change as far as tournament standings go.
On that note, if people want to vote for such an organization, please feel free to sign the petition: http://petition.abstractgamers.org
re:How about adding a DOUBLING CUBE to chess? - 2007/09/23 16:32Welcome. I am trying to get an association together to promote abstract strategy games (like Chess, Go, and even more modern abstract games like Lines of Action, and also commercial ones like Octi). From this, I was thinking what could be done to make chess and the other games more watchable on TV for people to playing the game. My interest was adding critical metagame elements in a game, and also deal with the draw issue resulting in no change as far as tournament standings go.
On that note, if people want to vote for such an organization, please feel free to sign the petition: http://petition.abstractgamers.org
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