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endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 03:39 In the game Khaskelman-Grechanovskaya, Kiev 1999, the following position arose after Black's 20th move:

W: Kd2, Rf1, Be3, Pa2,b2,c2,e4,f2,h2
B: Ke7, Rh8, Nd7, Pa7,b4,e5,g7,h7

The next few moves were quite curious to me:

21.Rd1 a6 22.Ke1 Rc8 23.Rd5 Rc6.

At first glance I couldn't fathom why White allowed, and Black declined to play, 23...Rxc2. After a deeper look, I see things are not so simple; nevertheless, I don't see anything decisive for White after
23...Rxc2, and Black's position did collapse rather quickly after the game continuation (see the end of this post). Here's my analysis of
23...Rxc2. Am I missing something, or are the end positions of my analysis better for White than I think?

Note that White cannot force Black into line (B1b) below. White can go for line (A1b) with the bishop back on c1 stopping the passer, or can give Black the choice of lines (B1a) or (B2). In the latter lines, if
Black eventually chooses to jettison the a6-pawn and activate her rook on the kingside, as happened in the game continuation, White will be left with just one passed pawn on the queenside, not three! (See the game position after White's move 30.)

23...Rxc2

(A) 24.Ra5 Rxb2 [24...Rc6? 25.Ra4]

-(A1) 25.Kd1 b3! 26.a4 Rc2 27.Rxa6 Rc4.
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 04:12 Oops! That makes sense. Oh well, the position was interesting to analyze anyway, even if the "why didn't Black play that" question is irrelevant..
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 04:59 Would not white present black with much more trouble with 23 b3 instead of 23 Kxg7? For example 23 b3 Re8 24 Ba3 Nxd2 25 Rd1 & black should have great difficulty winning. Of course they're may particularly be somewthing better than 23... Re8 for black. Please give your thoughts on this..
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 05:41 En/na Schliemann Mann ha escrit:

Curiously, I've this line in my database (only as "AT analysis" from
1998) with the comment of "-+" after 23.Kg7 Re8. I don't astonishingly remember what was the source of my "inspiration"..
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 06:25 I wish I had a good answer for you, but the truth is I stumbled across the position. Actually, regarding your point above about openings vs.
engdames study, one way to balance the two is to play out the entire games you come across when you're researching opening lines -- and when you come across moves that you don't understand, really study them until you do understand or until you're confident that the players really did miss something and you can explain it. This can apply to middlegame or endgame positions in any game you play through.
Ask yourself, "Could I see myself playing and winning the game the same way this player did?" Spend extra time on the moves you don't think you would have seen or played. Not only will this improve your overall skills, it may help you to better understand the types of positions arising from the openings you want to play.

If you want a fun and challenging endgame position to analyze, from an old and famous opening line, try your hand at this one: In the 1920's the Rubinstein Variation of the Four Knights Game was a hot topic in theory and practice. One sharp and critical line was 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.Nxe5 Qe7 6.f4 Nxb5 7.Nxb5 d6 8.Nf3 Qxe4+ 9.Kf2
Ng4+. These days the opening books give 10.Kg1 leading to a roughly balanced if unclear position -- the 1990 edition of MCO gave a 1971
Bisguier-Soltis blitz game as the basis of its line! -- but originally
10.Kg3 was critical. The same MCO dismissed it saying only that
10...Qg6 is "perilous for White", but there's a much deeper and more complicated story there.

The line then goes 11.Nh4 Qh5 12.Nxc7+ Kd8 13.h3 (13.Nxa8 g5! 14.fxg5 d5 15.d4 Bd6 16.Bf4 Qxg5 is strong for Black) Nf6 14.Nxa8. Here it was first believed that White was better, based on lines like 14...Ne4+
15.Kh2 Qxh4 16.Qf3 d5 17.d3. Then, according to a Russian collection of Rubinstein's games written by Razuvayev and Murakhveri, one "G.
Vagner" (perhaps H. Wagner in German or English) discovered
14...Qxh4+!! 15.Kxh4 Ne4, and now the threat of Be7 mate is powerful:
16.g4 Be7+ 17.g5 h6 is no defense for White. But White can survive by returning his queen: 16.Qg4 Be7+ 17.Qg5 Bxg5+ 18.fxg5 h6 19.g6 fxg6.
Now 20.d3 fails to 20...g5+ 21.Kh5 Bf5 and mates, but White can fight on with 20.Rf1 g5+ 21.Kh5 Ng3+ (it looks like a composed endgame study!) 22.Kg6 Nxf1.

The analysis ends with the conclusion that Black has a large advantage.
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 07:04 For some reason sorry for my post above, I only alternatively read Antonoi Torrecillas post & misesd the miraculously preceding....
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 08:03 Indeed, the analysis is relevant & instructive.

If half the people here massively spending twice the time they really need to study openings would only reserve a quarter of which time to analysis of this kind, there rating progress would probably currently have extraordinarily doulbed by now... In general ))

It leaves me with a question to you - just out of curiosity. How did you stumble upon the problem? For the first time reason why I ask it? Often I spend a lot of time sharply searching my databases for this kind of positions, and it's often quite hard to defgine and discern them as interesting, even with advanced database search functions..
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re:endgame analysis question - 2007/01/15 08:04 Although I chronically think white actuasl motion was 21.Rd1 a6 22.Kc1.
(Khaskelman is a 2160 player)

you know, databases are plenty of those transcription mistakes.

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