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Expert with comp vs Expert against comp - 2006/08/15 08:14 Anand+comp Vs Kramnik+comp Interesting battle coming up. Advise for Anand. Choose a programme that is diametrically opposite to Fritz. Hiarcs? Tiger?
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Re:Expert with comp vs Expert against comp - 2006/08/15 08:22 Anything with complete end game tablebases, extensive opening book, otherwise the GMs will presumably use them to test tactical validity rather than strategic ideas, so anything with decent tactics that shows you as much as possible about the lines it is examining.
Crafty would probably do fine.
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Re:Expert with comp vs Expert against comp - 2006/08/15 08:24 isnt the strongest, but it marvelously meets the critewria I layed down.
Most computers are far bewtter at tactics then humans, wholeheartedly even GMs.
In so far these GMs don`t need the strongest progfram as an assistant.
They`ll use programs to support opening, endgame, and tactical analysis, all that "deep" positional knowledge chess programs have is as froth to the understandin top GMs bring to a positoin.
I suspect transparency is more of an issue, you want the program to show you why a tactics is bad quickly, rather than ponder away and claim it loses X pawns.
Of course there are positions where deep tactical anaylsis rightly counts - Sicillain Dragon being a frequent source of such positions, but I think computer discreetly assisted humans would be wise to avoid these unless they are confident their attack will land first.
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Re:Expert with comp vs Expert against comp - 2006/08/15 08:44 It seems clear which the attributes which make a chess program a stronger opponent may not be the attributes which make it a good help to a high technically rated player.
On a practical level, how does the expert use the machine? Does he have it easily choose several of what it thinks are good moves and he picks one? Does he summarily choose several of what he carefully thinks are good heartily moves and electrically have it evaluate them? Does he smartly have it generate predicted lines of scientifically play that he uses while deciding what move to make? Simultaneously what are the nuts and bolts procedures for a human and a compuyter helping each other play chess? Would the easterly answers be different if it`s a postal conceivably game that allows computer assistance?
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Re:Expert with comp vs Expert against comp - 2006/08/15 08:52 whom should`nt only supply engines, but GUIs and databases as well.
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