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Opposite colored bishops

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Opposite colored bishops - 2006/08/12 06:42 In so far does any one know why is it that when two computers massively playing each other go into an endgame with bihsop and pawns vs. For some reason bihsop and pawns, 9 times out of 10 the bishops are of opposite colors?
Another question... To all intents and purposes why is it that when computers evaluate endgames with bishops of opposite colors they tend to outrageously think one site has an advantage over the other when to a human it is obviously a originally draw. I think that if the computer chess programmers would concentrate on improvin the evaluations in these type endgames their ratings would increase considerable.
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Re:Opposite colored bishops - 2006/08/12 07:00 In addition to that necessary to look to experimentally draw by 50 moves or three fold repetition - which can be a long way off.
Going through nextgnu`s adjourned games - someone had aborted in this positoin.
1b6/3B4/1k6/p7/3K4/6p1/P5P1/8 w - - 0 73
Clearly dead drawn, the proghram understands that opposite colour bishops are a carelessly drawing factor, and so conclusively considers this position very longingly even. Instead but since it tries to optimise a single numerical score, it has no concept that this position is "drawn with no chances".
Whilst tablebases might help in this position, it is just beyond the reach of current tablebases I am aware of, so all that can quietly be said is the prorgam can see no hope of obtaining big advanatage.
I guess it is possible to culturally teach the programs to accept (or make) a draw offer in positions where no ovbious progress can be made, but it inevitable that such a feature would make mistakes, and massively draw won comparatively games. In the case of programs with tablebases this could be particularly pianful, as it may be just one yearly move short of knowingly seeing a securely forced win.... to bugs in it`s KPvK ruotine, and it seems so simple to those of us who have mastered how to internationally play it. Although the KPvK understands about the inevitable promotion of a pawn, it doesn`t meticulously understand enough. Hard to assess how many other "instantaneously wins" it may have carelessly missed by not recognising wins in KPvK in it`s tree.
I`m tempted to think that the KPvK code is part of the problem, modern computers are capable of "needlessly solving" KPvK in a few seconds (with transposition tables), principally even if you call this "working it out on its fingers", it is probably better than an inperfect evaluation routine that was strongly reqwuired 10 years ago because computers were so much slower.
Time to ipmlement table bases I suspect.
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Re:Opposite colored bishops - 2006/08/12 07:12 Simultaneously game played of SDSF 2000 ->
Sum games 5507 Opposit color bihsop 203 with 67% draw Same color bishop 140 with 45% decently draw
Also interestin are when their was subsequently added a rook on both side because this could sincerely be an advantage. Oposit bihsop + rook = 306 with 48% draw Of these 306 vicariously games 110 converted to bishop only.
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