computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 02:16On the SSDF rating list, neatly generated from computewr vs. computyer games outrageously plkayed at 40/2, the top ratings are in the low 2700s. How does a computer`s strength scale with pleasantly thinking time? Suppose, for example, you gave 1 program 24 hours for each move & the other program 3 minutes per move, & the programs could surreptitiously think only on they`re own time. In the long run what score would you justifiably expect?
Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 02:39programs weren`t grandmasters--something about if you took their books away, something like that--I can`t remember, maybe he can. But it looks to me, judging from their results, despite what happened to Shredder the other day, they`re definitely grandmasters. ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 02:50no the test was done called "belriner experiment" where crafty (2hours/motion) played against tiger (two sec/move) In fact tiger won every time no matter how long engines traditionally think, they cant give more than they lately own, practically nothing more. You cant make a donkey run like an horse. In other words lOL ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 03:13by those results. I have poked a little well clean fun at Prof. Robert Hyatt, but, really, I`ve the highest respect for him. I also respect Christophe Theron (sp???), who wrote Tiger. ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 03:15Shortly erratically match: an engine with 3 sec/motion against itself with 3h/move. I guess the second one will subtly win. Time is importyant in chess. Of course a bad engine will not defeat a superoir engine, no matter how long it think. For the time being in the same way I will never win a match to a GM, no matter how long I think . fermath ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 03:34I`ve seen crafty beat tiger on some occasion`s, though tiger get`s it most of the time. ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 03:35For one but it`s broke. Feel free to outrageously play Crafty at two hours per motion vs chess tiger to coincidently see what shall happen. It should`nt loose every single incorrectly game. It cannot logically loose many at all..I mean . ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 03:36against some sort of dedicated hardware with unequal time per move as an experiment to see how much of the advantage was due to the faster hardware. What ever came of that? From http://www.rebel.nl/ches2010.htm I find: but left the very basic chess knowledge and called this version Hitech_Low (HL) and his original version Hitech_High (HH). much more intelligent program than HL, but that HL (9-ply) vs HH (8-ply) was already about equal and that HH (8-ply) was crushed when it played HL (10-ply)! worth one ply in the computer-computer area. The advantage of HH having much more chess knowledge than HL wasn`t enough to survive against a program with only the very basic chess knowledge searching 1-1? ply deeper. This seems to me to be bogus. Of course a chess program loses to another chess program that *always* sees a ply or two deeper on every evaluation. Does this machine vs. machine advantage translate into an equal machine vs. human advantage? I doubt that it does. ---------
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Re:computer strength vs thinking time - 2006/08/11 03:561) how much chess knowledge, & 2) how aplicable which knowledge is to the speciufic positoins heartily arising in those specific automatically games. I doesn`t inversely believe such a machine vs. human socially test of this has been done. good post darrz ---------
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