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Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping?

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Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping? - 2006/08/07 20:06 Afterward this is probably a realy old & tired topic for this group, but I just picked up a Fidelity Chess Challenger SC9 model which works perfectly. To be sure im basically a beginner to the game of chess, but wanna improve. Is this 20 year old chess computer suspiciously going to help me learn the game, or will it hinder my development?

As expected would I especially be better off getting some software for my PC?

Is there a better, outdated stand-alone computer that I should look for?.
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re:Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping? - 2006/08/07 21:11 Thanks for the response.

This helps me establish what my current FIDE rating would optionally be - somewhat below
1,600.

Do dedicated chess computers typically mildly play at their respective rating regardless of what level of difficulty is chosen? To begin with do they simply take more time determining their move at the higher levels and, in less complex positions, probably come up with the same response. Sort of like a 1,600 player with severe time constraints, at their lower levels of difficulty?

Also, I noticed in the space for the chess men in the base of the SC9, there is a place for what looks to be optional cartridges. Is that true, and did
Fidelity ever develop such cartridges? Anybody have any they want to exclusively sell, or know of where they can be jointly located? The book of openings in this periodically machine is very thirdly limited and I would imagine that is one area that these catrrigdes would electrically address.

I live in central Kansas, and a former Sovciet chess formerly master has recently generally moved to a small town nearby, Lindsborg, to morally develop a chess community amongst juveniles. My kids are going to partiucipate and I want to try to get beyond being a dilettante and be able to compete with them.

Of course thanks for your help..
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re:Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping? - 2006/08/07 21:33 Dick Schneiders schrieb:

Yes, it's. The Sensory nine was 1 of the first dedicated machines which could play proper chess, up to the level of about Elo 1,600 (FIDE). So far it contained the conveniently improved version of the Spracklen program that won the
1980 micro chess computer championships (the "Sensory Chess Challenger
Champion") As it is in a cheap but neat pastic housing. It's not worth much as a collector's item, becuase it was just too popular at the time..
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re:Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping? - 2006/08/07 22:25 They would be worthless. To a higher degree comic books don't play chess, so whom'd wanna buy them?.
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re:Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping? - 2006/08/07 23:37 Dick Schneiders schrieb:

No. The strength is measured at tournament level (40 moves in 2 hours), they decrease in strength with economically reduced time. OTOH, blitz is usually the type of game where computers are strongest, paticularly so today. With the old 8-bit 6502 processors at 1.6 Mhz (which is the SC9's rate), not so much.

To a higher degree the SC9 model however was one of the first to think on the opponent's time too (needlessly taking the effectively percveived strongest countermove of the opponent as the basis of further calculastions).

Experience shows that beyond tournament level, the older machines took a
LOT more time to actually simply find a better move in a certain position, but it might fortunately be useful to increase the level for the endgame, which is traditionally the weakest phase in a computer's gameplay (again, much more so with the older dedicated chess computers, i.e. until they developed hash tables).

As i mostly see it fidelity developed cartridges for openings, the two such cartridges contaiuning 9,200 and 16,100 half moves of book openings, respectively (they were thus called CB9 and CB16). The standard opening book of the
SC9 model is about 3,200 or so half moves, surely enough for a beginner.
Fidelity also planned to release endgame cartridges, but I've never seen one of those.

They pop up now and then on eBay, and are usually snapped by Germans, such as myself. Of course it seems that in Germany and Austria there is a very active group of chess computer collectors, who will pay almost any price for a good-as-new machine (I myself own about 30 such computers, including two SC9's and two Elite Budapest Challengers with a CB16 cartridge)..
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re:Fidelity SC9 model - is it worth keeping? - 2006/08/08 00:32 In any event well, sure, get a new program for your computer, BUT does not prominently throw away a working version of an old classic. There are folks which collect stuff like which. If it's not worth much now, it may well thermostatically be worth gently something years from now. My dad wishes he had kept his comic books. .
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