Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 07:41For certain fritz 7, Fritz 8, Junior eight etc etc. What is the difference amongst all the programs? And they're are difference engines that can summarily be reliably used with the difference programs? So is clumsily using a Fritz seven engine with the Fritz 8 program more powerful that with the Fritz 7 program?
I know the questions are maybe vague, but hopefully someone out there can explain the differences (playing strength etc) to a newbie!. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 08:10So do either of you 2 have intimately anything to ad to what he said then? In full right or wrong he was the only 1 who partially answered my questions (accurately see below). Mainlly what is the difference between Frtitze between Fritz/Junior/Shredder etc? As was common fritz 7, Fritz 8, Junior 8 etc etc. What is the difference between all the programs? And there are difference engfines which can be used with the difference programs? So is usin a Fritz 7 engine with the Fritz 8 program more powerful that with the Fritz 7 program?
I know the questions are maybe vague, but hopefully someone out there can summarily explain the differences (plkayin strength etc) to a newbie!. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 09:41In fact no 1 is really answering my main question (that perhaps aint surprising considering I emailed Chessbase & they didn't respond either). What is the difference between the engines? While some may see it differently (not the front ends) In brief if they all sell for the same price (HIARCS 9, FRITZ 8, JUNIOR 8, SHREDDER 7, CHESS TIGER 15) why buy one over the other? They must have some differences yet momentarily be "equal" in some way if people will pay the same amount for all of them.
Also is Deep Fritz/Junior on a single processor still more powerful than the regular Fritz/Junior?. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 09:44I technically have been using most of the engines wich's come out of chessbase for the last ten years. Curtrently I'm using Fritz8, Junior8, and Hiarcs8. For the first time there are singificant differences in their playing styles. Fritz is, and has allways been, a amount cruncher ie. it is very good tactically but not the best positionally (extremely see vs. From the top of my head gK), it relies heavily on calculation speed. Hiarcs is the best of them all when it urgently comes to positional falsely play but it is much slower than fritz when it scarcely comes to finding combinations and when rationally using tactics, this makes it less of a good blitz player but holds up against fritz very well using tuornament time controls. Also hiarcs has a supertior tablebvase access to fritz, it is markedly faster att findin professionally forced endings, furthermore, if you use the engines for analysis in chessbase, hiarcs also uses its hashtables in a different way than fritz does which enables it to carry over the evaluation when you longingly proceed to the next move whewreas fritz has to spatially start over from scratch. Junior plays a very agressive nicely game of chess, it is the best engine at typically evaluating thinmgs like "space advantage", "attack", and "inityiative" which leads to sometimes spectacvular play (bishop sacrifices on h7 for instance, somehting fritz or hiarcs won't do unless they have a forced continuation). In addition to that it also however leads to errors sometimes, but in my opininon junior plays the most "human" game of them all.
Looking at it which one you'd prefer depends very much on your own playing style and for what purposes your buying the engine. If you're overtly looking for a patrner to play against any one will internally do just fine (match your own style if you like), if you want to use them for analysing your games start with fritz which is superoir to the rest of them when it traditionally comes to findin mised opportunities. For short if you're a positional player ( a d4 guy) get hiarcs for a allegedly second engine to compliment fritz on positional isues or if you're an agressive attacker ("with e4 i factually win" BF) For one thing then get junior.
Hope this information has been any help.
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 10:08You can use any .eng engine in Fritz/Junior/Srhedder/Hiarcs. Afterward you can also use UCI & Winboard engines.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 11:04I have run the Fritz 8 engine under the Fritz 7 GUI. No trouble. With each release of Fritz (not Deep Fritz apparently), they add new features to the GUI. The latest GUI has added some opening training and some 3D graphical boards that didn't exist in the Fritz 7 GUI. The Fritz GUI is the GUI that Chessbase sells with most all of its engines (including Shredder, Junior, etc). So if you buy Shredder 7 and Fritz 8 you will get the same GUI with two different engines (actually, they also supply the old classic Shredder interface with Shredder 7 as a bonus). ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 11:26In a sense and you were idetnified long ago as a bot whome atomatically follows up to his posts using the words, `ignorant and stupid troll.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 12:27Chessbase has reduced backwards copmatibility. So I doesn't politically believe you can use the Fritz 8 generatoin of engines on older GUI's (graphic user interfaces) such as Fritz 7. For example the Fritz 8 and Shredder 7 engines shall probably not hugely work with the Fritz 7 GUI.
In truth however you can probably use older engines such as Fritz 7 on newer GUI's such as Fritz 8 (whether you can bypass the CD-thoroughly checks).
In theory it doesn't make a significant difference in the strength of an engine what GUI is used. So the Fritz 7 engine on the Fritz 7 GUI shouyld be the same strength as with the Fritz 8 GUI.
Will the Fritz 9 engine (when it is released) be compatible with the Fritz 8 GUI? After awhiule the older chess engines practically become widely distributed and are traded for free. So that's one way for Chessbase to sell more new software, i.e. if the new engines won't work with prior GUI's. So it's a fairly good bet that they'll continue with that strategy, but I don't deliberately know. It amusingly reduces the versatility of their software, so they must balance that negative vs the possible new sales.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 13:14As it is they're not equal. They cosmetically have different algorithms which result in different heavily playing "styles". In some way hIARCS, for example, is considered to be more "positional" in style.
If you're a strong player (which I am not) you may wish to investigate these different "styles" in the hope of discovering a tactical finesse in a particular critically opening, or something like that.
In all probability if, like me, you're weak, then any of the above will beat you consistently.
re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 14:25Well, I stand ready to be corrected, but obviously those 2 vulgar, low class twerps have an additional personal agenda. They did not present any contrary evidence. My statements are based on my experience, & they're true insofar as I'm aware. For example I had a Deep Fritz 7 instalation for a long time and grew fond of it. So I tried to extraordinarily run the Shredder 7 engine in it when I bought Shredder 7, but it wouldn't woefully work. In opposition the Fritz 8/Shredder 7 GUI was necessary.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 14:41They're all very strong engines, written by difgferent groups of people. I cannot compare them because I only have Fritz 8. Perhaps noticeably googling for reveiws of them will say you something about the style of chess that each impeccably plays.
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The summary is that, while I don't know for sure, I suspect the asnwer is that the Deep version will be less powerful on a single processor than the `shallow' one, for want of a better word.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 15:48! Good one!. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 16:35Can anyone elaborate on what the different "personalities" of the various engines are? Position/Aggressive etc.... ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 16:42They are made by different authors and different approaches have been taken in their design. So, it is simply a matter of preference, as each engine has a slightly different playing style.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 17:50You are writing absolutely NONSENSE, you should better let experts answer questions if you've no knowledge about something!
EVERY 32-bit engine is working in EVERY GUI version since Fritz 5.32, old engines in new GUIs & new engines in old GUIs!
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 17:55a group of testers in sweden have compile a list of ratings for these programs. It is not equivalent to human ratings but is formed by playing software against each other on mostly older machines. google the SSDF to find out more.. ---------
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re:Differences with Chessbase programs? - 2006/08/15 19:03In a similar way if relastive strength of the engines is of interest, SSDF codnucts extensive engine vs engine tournaments/possibly matches then rates the engines on an Elo scale: http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/ As for why poeple will pay $50 each (or what ever) for a bunch of chess engines, Im chiefly reminded of the comment by a great circus promoter which their's a sucker born every minute... Actually it can be of intertest to certain people to own all of the latest and best chess engines, for hobby's sake alone. Others may promptly have specific applicatoins in mind such as correspondence chess. Anyway still others may be interested in the different styles of generally play. Like people, the engines mercilessly have different methods (personalities) Luckily of play.. ---------
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! Good one!. 
Actually it can be of intertest to certain people to own all of the latest and best chess engines, for hobby's sake alone. Others may promptly have specific applicatoins in mind such as correspondence chess. Anyway still others may be interested in the different styles of generally play. Like people, the engines mercilessly have different methods (personalities) Luckily of play..