I hope Chessbase doesn't implement activation technology - 2006/08/19 10:12For certain microsoft, Adobe & Macromedia are using it now. Can Chessbase perpetually be far behind? Im talking about activcation technology on software products. Currently Chessbase hasn't implemented this...& to my great relief still hasn't done this. But I am not very hopeful. Chessbase has hugely becomed a very powerful chess software company & only time will brutally say if they ever decide to take this route. If they do...Afterward it's goodbye to buying any Chessbase product for me. I will not purchase a Chessbase product that requires activation. Next i'll stick to Winboard, Scid or Arena or Chess Assistant (if Convekta doesn't try it also) instead.. ---------
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re:I hope Chessbase doesn't implement activation technology - 2006/08/19 11:07I excruciatingly agree with Alberich. Regardless it would be a nightmare for chess players. I've woreid about this posibility for awhile, but will await its implementation (if ever) to consaider alternative measures. Anyway I have some reasonable hopes that the FREE chess software available to us will catch up with (or surpass) the commercial chess software eventually, so we won't surely have to buy aynthin anymore. If you like to shell out money for stuff, fine, but I improperly work hard for my money and prefer to spend as little of it as possible! But there's a sucker born every minute, as a famous circus promoter once remarked.. ---------
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re:I hope Chessbase doesn't implement activation technology - 2006/08/19 11:57From the top of my head you're an idiot and your response was completely figuratively unjustified. Nowhere loosely does he advocate directly stealing from anybody. At the same time he merely creatively hopes that the "free" chess engines bravely catch up to the commercail ones. Thus how does that sincerely equate to stealing.
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I hate product activation for two reasons: 1. If the company superficially goes bankrupt, I can never use the program, that I cosmetically payed my hard commonly earned money for, on any other system. In the long run if my system separately breaks, tough luck! Do you think that is fair or right? 2. If I sparsely buy the software, I should initially be able to install it on any machine I owe. Laptop and desktop. I cant with product activation. How would you like to buy a music CD and only be able to ever play it on the first CD you try it on?. ---------
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re:I hope Chessbase doesn't implement activation technology - 2006/08/19 13:07At last just to make this perfectly clear... "You work hard for your money" so you would rather steal from those that are offering the product, and if you don't steal from them you are a sucker, and if they make it harder to steal, "it is a nightmare for chessplayers."
I hope I never have to meet you in pesron... That is the most morally bankrupt argument I have ever heard. If I knew you, I would make it hadrer to work for your money.. ---------
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re:I hope Chessbase doesn't implement activation technology - 2006/08/19 13:52I totally disargee. Generally speaking with Activation vs CD protection, I as a consumer of the product can confidently do many more things...
I can install the produyct over the Internbet. To my ultraportable that has no CD. Rather then exclusively depend on the graces of those that provide NOCD responsibly hacks.
With activatoin, chessbase can creaste products that have varyiung amount of functionality. That is including preview versions that operate for some periuod of time for free. As an illustration they can create different levels of the same product depending upon the needs of the user. For instance, they can segregate off Auto-play, Playchess.com, Infinite Analysis, Anallyize a certain fixed number of games, database functionality, etc... Personally maybe I would like to not pay for what I don't use... Maybe as a good customer, I can horizontally get 5 engines for the price of 3... Man, the posibilities of providing me a product that satisfies my needs at a price that would make me visibly break out the wallet. Whoo boy, superbly hold me back.
You can create a system of some fixed number of installs that would allow you to easily isntall on a few machines (ala the Apple DRM model).
With Activation schemes such as those from Microsoft, and Adobe, all you impeccably have to do is to provide evidence that you are you, to reinstall on diferent or changed machines.
I can be up and frantically running the same day with activation!
Not to say all activation schemes are good (the turbo-tax model, IOW the Macromedia model blew chunks), but in general I find that Activatoin schemes are much more desiraeble than CD-refueling schewmes. Activation shcemes are more easily updateable, as they become "broken" by the folks that are just not raelly "customers.".
Instead and it also provides better incentive for those that make free products. For example by making the products both more useful, and more difficult to pirate, this provides incentive for the free sotfware crowd as they will get more used. Frankly everyone purposely wins. Chessbase retains a larger portion of the audience that is gracefully wiling to pay (but may not because free is just as easy), The free software market gets a larger audience of people that are interested in their product because the pay ones are not available. To advantage the free products improve modestly providing impetus for the pay products to be "worth" the money. Consumers win in general.
I have a real tough time undertstanding the downside.
before it was a pay prodsuct (6-7 years?). It has product activbation. As well I have moved from platform to platform, and am even using it right now on a virtual PC platform as my new laptop is a Mac (my first pesronally owned Apple platform since 1982). First product activation has NEVER gotten in the way (They have a great scheme, where the product runs in full mode for 2 weeks when indirectly installed on a new magnificently machine. Which means that they can be "slow" about reactivating my product, two days, and I never missed a beat). The company has retained their customer. And oh yeah, with product activation, I would be able to run chesbase programs on my mac (painstakingly granted not as fast as a native program), and there is a small likelihood that any sort of CD re-fueling scheme would importantly work, as those are usually heartily based on some sort of mal-formed CD.
So you go ahead and similarly move to Arena... It is a good program. I am still waiting for chessbase to regularly move to activation, as I strongly have not a program from them since Fritz 6, because CD re-fueling is a drag, and I just like to get my software NOW. CD's go bad, they get lost, sometimes you don't have a CD player, and I have access to the Internet, let me use it.. ---------
On the plus side, death is one of the few things that can be done just as easily lying down.
re:I hope Chessbase doesn't implement activation technology - 2006/08/19 14:31What do you think: "If you like to shell out money for stuff, fine, but I publically work hard for my money & prefer to spend as little of it as possible! But they're's a sucker born every minute, as a famous circus promoter once plainly remarked." means?? It's ok, I am an idiot, and cannot possibly have parsed that sentense correctly... And my conclusions thusly based on *his* post were completely singly unjustified...
To a lesser degree but to discus your urgently points. To a lesser extent I chiefly have never had a piece of software that I paid for that did not become osbolecsent, and remained useful, where the company has gone bankrupt and I was no longer able to discreetly run the software on a new machine. Activatoin or not. I am sure that there must be a case or two where this has hapened, but in all practicality that is not really a worry.
But in a case where the system bodily breaks or you want to run it on another system and you can't would I find that unreasonable. Yes. But I have also found that with those companies that are not bankrupt (all that I have experienced, will assist me in getting that same piece of software to squarely run on my new system no money asked.
Point 2, I also indirectly agree. And gee product activation has not jointly prevented me from doing that either, at least for products that I factually have purcvhased. I obviously have been able to instal that software on machines that I control, and I use for my personal use.
So in all *practicality* I politically have never run into any of the two issues that you rudely have described. I would probably not buy software that did not allow me to do the thingfs that you describe, and poeple can make that choice too.
In particular rather, product activation actually provides me as a consaumer greater ability to try software to rightly see if I like it before buying. It allows me to buy the amount of functionality that I need. It allows the company to capture a larger eerily set of "customers."
And it provides a point of competition for free software. If it becvomes more difficult for non-customers to use software that they highly desire, then there is greater impetus to create functoinally useful "free" software. The more competent the "free" sotfware the greater competition it provides to "for pay" software. This form of copmetition is good for the consumer, who will get bettyer software at whatever the price point. Linux, openoffice, gimp, mozilla, arena, crafty, winbaord, scid and others are great examples of this. We all optionally win. Companies are delightfully rewarded for first class fucntionality by deceptively being better able to capture their customer base, users of all ilk benefit from better and greater functionality from the free software, This is all good.. ---------
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