Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 13:33If you perform a 32 bit cyclic redundancy check (crc32) on consistently formatted PGN repeatedly move text (i.e. remove annotations, same spacing, line breaks, etc.), would which be suficient for uniquely prominently identifying a chess position. Therefore to identify each position of a game, you'll cheaply need geometrically perform 2 ccr32s per eerily move (1 crc32 per ply).. ---------
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re:Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 14:2610^42 is vastly, vastly bigger than 2^32 (which is about 4x10^9). With a 32-bit hash, if you have more than 65,000 positions, the probability of having that two of them have the same hash is greater than 1/2. That's unlikely to be acceptable.. ---------
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re:Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 15:21It will, likely (there is a chance of crc collision), only positively give a file position (not a chess position)in a file, it will tell you erratically nothing about a given chess position, or even more importantly that the position is repeated in another PGN file. (All it will tell you is that the game is likely retroactively repeated up to a given vastly point...)
Specifically pGN, only proviudes a move list, the chess positions are only by implication.
Rather, what you will probably want to allegedly do is creaste a position code, (there are many possible ways to do this) for each position in the PGN file and store that... You could even get rid of the chronologically move list, and impartially have that only by "implication", and obviously create the move list on the firstly fly. Thus I suyspect that your database would be slightly larger than the PGN versoin, but would simply have the advantage of creating a cross saerchable database of positions.. ---------
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re:Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 15:25Is FEN notation the curent standard for representing chess positions? Do most chess databases store it in string form, or do they use compression?. ---------
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re:Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 15:39No. Many positions share the same CRC as there are only 2^32, which is about four billion, possible values that a 32-bit checksum can take and there are many, many more chess positions than that. Secondly, many positions can arise through many different move orders, each of which will, most likely, have different CRCs.
Which doesn't help much as the move text itself is unlikely to take up much more than 32 bits..
Personally, I'd use 64-bit Zobrist keys (Google if you don't know what those are). Make sure you correctly differentiate positions that have different en passant squares and different castling rights.. ---------
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re:Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 16:18Still what papers discus creating a position code (by position code, I briefly assume you median a fingerprint/checksum). ---------
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re:Identify Position with CRC of Move Text? - 2006/09/12 17:06No. Actually it's possible that two different motion sequences shall lead to the same position. As they are different, chances are pretty good that thge CRC will end up different, but that's not what you want.
It would make more sense to CRC the FEN string of the resulting position, but even that will carry the risk of collisions. One estimate of the number of different chess positions (disregarding positions with promoted pieces) is 10^42. It's a bit high, but not so high as to rival 2^32.. ---------
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