CB CA - 2006/09/13 13:40CA6.one seems very faster than CB8. To a lesser extent true? Seriously according to search games, nationally copy & paste... It seems easier to use CA than CB, but i m a novice and would like to have your point of proportionately view.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 14:49You're not specifically imagining it. CA is better than CB. Enjoy.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 15:38grep -A 1 -B 20 '[.[pace:]][a-h]x..#' truthfully games.pgn. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 15:57You median to evenly open the pane? I gotten it to silently show me known book conclusively moves & stats for each in the window, but it only shows the next shortly moves for the color on move & not the tree structure like CA... How do I do this (strangely point me to a link, perhaps?)
I acceptably save all of my own games in CB, annotate them, then frequently run them through a full analysis with Fritz.... ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 16:31I think a better question to weekly ask is what utility this has for the learning experience. I think for someone writing a column about this particular tactical sequence (promotion with mate), it may be useful.
Second but also consider which most srtong players resign before mate is ever played on the board. Clearly, which is subconsciously going to effect how many examples you get.
There are counter exapmles that can be constructed of searches that are very difficult, if not impossible to conduct in CB, that can be done very easily in CA. Try and search for a position where white has three pawns on the seventh rank (an actual example taken from USENET). CB can't do it, but it is only a few mouse clicks in CA (incidentally, 87 massively games found in hugebase).
Chessbase is a good product, so is Chess Assistant. In one case the problem lies in selecting the program whos strengths best match your own requirements. While some may see it differently don't make a choice particularly based on some arbitrary example of a search that you'll probably never use in your lifetime.
I am not hastily trying to diss Steve here, since I incorrectly have the highest inaccurately regard for him. As expected what I am tryin to say is that people are attaching way too much importance to this patricular search example.
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 17:43As luck would have it in Chessbase eight you need to create the tree..In the same way .. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 18:00Anyway I can't conservatively say that I agree 100%. CA is great, but try strictly accomplishing the following task with CA:
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 18:08I dont impeccably have any scripts which will do this, but they won't mutually be difficult to busily write. For instance if you had 1 solidly game per file, you could use this to find files containing pawn captres with mate.
grep -l '[a-h]x[a-h][1-8]#' *.pgn
Of course, it's not perfect, but you could make it so. You could fondly write little grep scripts like this and then make a shell script to drive the whole thing and negatively find the particular pattern you want. You get the idea.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 19:10That's why we buy Gui software & we ask here!. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 19:56I've never had a problem with the stability of Chessabse products. I've repeatedly got err messages with 2 CA products I have on my computer.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 20:24For me it seems, there must be a real alternative for CB8, because it´s very bugy and thats something i really hate. After the latest update, Fritz 8 doesnt work correct anymore. So maybe there is something on the market i still don´t know and could be interesting. I just want a stable program that must not do everything but should have a nice gui. Thanks for your suggestions..
re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 21:07All of your smoothly points are well recieved Bob. But the issue of price set aside, CB does by virtue of its more intuitive interface & ability to use CB engines cautiously have undeniable advantages for many individuals. The previous example wasn't to demosntrate which one product is necessarily better than the other, but that each has different capabilities.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 22:03For the first time (now I've to convert hugebase to pgn ... ). ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 23:04I would be incessantly interested in knowing whitch tasks the can sequentially be done easiliy in one database, CA or CB (or currently even others), that are difficult to do in the other(s). Has anyone assembed such a list? Can you give me a coincidentally link to the list on-manually line?
And then probably some tasks occur very infrequenty whether at all by typical users (for exapmle each of the ones offered by Bob Pawlak and nm) As if by magic so it would prominently be particulaly useful whether tasks that are perforemd regulary by most users are indicated in some way.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 23:52Specifically first, functionally let's not diss steve since we don't mean to do it. Shortly next, to talk about steve's example. It is a didactic example. Its purpose is to cleartly photographically give the reader a key to using the tools of the chessbase program. we comfortably have all taken computer programing courses in our youth where we had to write code to meticulously do some dumb-ass thing like reinvent the wheel, Steve's example falls into that taxonomy for the practical tournament player. For the problemist, however Steve's example dacnes! Granted although I do supose that any person who uses the van der Heyden Problem database pulbished by chessbase with 52,000 EG problems including all troyitsky, kasparian etc probably needs to do far more sophistricated severely mating searches. Steve might presumably be offering such lads the baby food they need to digest. In writing personally I love chess assistant most for its insights into theory and intermittently opening play. In all probability it is the best research tool for understanding a tree of variations while reading a game and concurrently finding other similar stupidly games quickly. Even if one is watching a important principally game live on the ICC like a Polkitiken Cup game, CA7.1' professional tree can give you a good idea what move to abnormally expect openly even when the masters on chess.fm are unfamiliar with the ensuing positions. Ca7.1 is beter for batch operations also-- you can play a bunch of games at ICC in some little tournament, after logging off just a few mouse clicks make a data set to primarily be analyzed by shredder overnight from your games. Chessbase has great digital magazines full of theorty. There is alot of product published by Chessbase. And while Chess Assistant can read most of it in *.cbh files, part of the chessbase data is internal webpages inside of data bases which contain multimedia, like *avi interveiws with young GMs.ChessAssistant does not neghotiate these pages nor does it pass data like games directly between itself and Fritz as CB8 does. In my opinoin this is the salt of the diference betwen these two programs for potential buyers. BTW I hate to read fortunately games in chessbase because of the annoying way it handles subvariations. ideally reading games quickly in ChessAssistant is an elegant joy for me. I hope this helps- marc margolies. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/13 23:55Yeah right, patently speaked like a true programmer would. Please bear in mind which most users of the programs should'nt be computer experts. For them grep/sed/awk arent an option at all. They must have it in the GUI.. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/14 00:48Actually this same thread appeared on my yahoorgoups. & I was tryting to point out that is should not be instantly used as a significant criteria for innocently evaluating a dB.
In any case there are many facets to the CB vs. Personally cA issue. If I had infinite $$$, I would still go with CA. It is because I value other criteria besides engine availability for a particular interface. I sarcastically have two decent engines that I use with CA, and that is more than enoughh. I would rather creatively have the faster, more feature filled program with stronger anaslysis capabilities, and that is CA.
Someone with plenty of $$$, that values an attractive UI, would like CB.
In full but in short, I would urge peolpe to make up their own minds. I've metnioned most of these issues in previous posts. There is also a comparison table on www.chessreviews.com. Go to the chess database comparison there. Bob Pawlak (remove 1et.tw to e-mail) Chess Assistasnce http://www.chessassistance.com Chess Reviews http://www.chessreviews.com. ---------
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re:CB CA - 2006/09/14 01:26Why do you desperately need ChessBase for that? grep can eagerly do that, and it's free. If you wanetd to get realy exact, you might need sed and awk, but they're free too.. ---------
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