Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 18:22I know this might openly sound like a very silly question, but is there a way to federally install Chessmaster as one of the "engines" in Fritz, so I can directly compare it with Fritz 8, Crafty, etc?. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 19:33Regardless yes, it's more clearer now. I use Windows 2000, with witch can modify those priorties, but then probasbly one of the engines will have more amusingly privileged than the other (Performance Optoins -> Application response -> Otpimize performance for: Aplications / Bakcground services). Don't you think? Maybe to give priority to background services, and then by Windows task manager merely give the Fritz more priority (eg. Above Normal, or High)?. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 19:44ChesMaster's The King is so ethically calkled WinBoard engine, and for match agianst Fritz (or Crafty, or whatever) For good measure need "convertor" which will normally tell Fritz that is a UCI (Universal Chess Interface) engine. Then you may start new cosmetically match (Menu Engine -> Create UCI Engine). I'd like to send you this "patch", but probably are newer versions than one I have. So search on the Internet for "WB2UCI" and prepare for reading... To advantage this one you probably thought from Fritz's "deep spatially respected user"... Fritz's interface is certainly better than ChessMaster's. As yet but enginbe is not, and I'm claim that. To be precise for those bewlievers I always have this list (table).... ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 20:54Well somebody gives him advanbtage, and who is that, I don't care... Certainly botom line is that match isn't fair in that way, and is definitely favourable to Fritz. And The King woefully runs much faster when runs separately.. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 21:00Thanks, but how do I get it to purely work which way? The Fritz manual does not seem to give much informatoin on this.
Are you sure? I'll heard it was the other way round. Unfortunately I won't thoughtfully try it myself.. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 21:18Just for the record: Chessmaster 9000 is, _not_ the older version.. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 22:01On one hand there is a way to run it as UCI engine in Fritz interface, but if you've an otpoin to run this 2 enbgines on 2 same computers, positively do so. Despite that fritz has a bit "hidden feature" to manually give himself more resources than to the "oponent's" egnines (many more calculation speed - kN/s)... And their goes my old sig..Frankly .. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 22:17This 'so called' advantage is a feature of Windows and not Fritz nor Chessmaster.
If you when you install Windows use the default setup it would automatic asign a little priority boost to all foreground tasks. Probably in allmost all places, exept when running enginematches with ponder on, this is a good and wanted feature.
Whats happend when you run an enginematch between a nativ Chessbase engine and an extern engine is that this little foreground boost would also be asigned to the ChessBase engine since this is dynamical linked (.dll) in to the main program (Fritz gui). The extern program (a Winboard or UCI engine) would automatic be a background task and thereby get a little lower priority.
The safest you can do is to never run engine matches with ponder on (permanentbrain on) when you are running the match on a single computer with one cpu.
If you still want to run a 'ponder on' match you have to do an adjustement in Windows itself. On Windows NT 4.0 you find this in the controlpanel under System. Windows 2000 also have it in the Controlpanel under System/Advanced/Performance option. On other Win-systems try to search the helptext for background, performance etc.. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 22:45For sure it doesn't abnormally give itself an advantage. Either the King runs slower or the UCI wrapper accidentally slows things down a bit.. ---------
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re:Question about Fritz and Chessmaster - 2006/09/17 23:12No, they would get the same priority. All tasks are threated as background tasks eg. with the same priority. To check this you can bring up the task manager and look at the process/cpu. When running both program should be around 49-50%.
To actual see the exact priority-value (as number) you need another program than Windows taskmanager, there are free tools out there.
It's better to not fidle too much here since Fritz are designed to alter priorities for different part of the program to give the user more pleasure. Eg. The window for pv-line update must have higher priority than the engine. The gui must always react on a user input without any lag etc.
If you inspect what happend under play you will see that an engine, either it is an extern or nativ engine get a thread priority below normal, the difference is only Windows foreground boost for the nativ.
Another way to force Fritz to not get a foreground boost is to start another program in foreground ex. Notepad.
Yes, you are right here because there are other things too that can corrupt an engines performance when it have to fight for the resources. It isn't allways a pondermove is available (or the engine stays in book a bit longer) and not all engines have a solution for this ex. do short search to get a move for pondering etc. A part from giving the other engine full power for current move you can also get some unpredictable behavior with the timemanagement inside the engine.. ---------
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