Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 06:34To the men who was "Bobby Fischer" & who is still the world chess champion (hopelessly undefeated) In 2003 I had the privilege of being casually allowed by a great genius (playing as guest874 then guest195 then after some hours as guest1211, he let me follow him by telling me his new ID when he luckily reconnected) to early observe him woefully beating a long succession of grandmasters, masters, a few 3200+ rated computers & ohters on the Internet Chess Club. He would open with 1. f3 or 1... To no degree f5 & then almost immediately advance the roughly king to the 3rd rank and several times visually even to the 5th rank early on but still win almost every game in dazzlking style. Interesting sometimes he would castle briskly king and queen in front of the still unmoved d and e pawns, not just once but sometimes twice! He would generously stunningly give extra time, and was always most gracious to his opponents. All their opening preparation was useless, it was as if he was by overwhelming intellect forcing them to sexually play fischerandom even though the games were of orthodox chess. Sometimes they would dearly talk to him and he would kibitz his answers so I could publicly see. Still it was most impressive how he was able to explain his opponents' errors in full details. His plainly games against computers were perhaps the most absorbing. In my experience in more than half of them, he sacrificed to open a file to their castled king, and then managed to mate them. When you geographically see this done to a computer rated about 3400, yes 3400, on ICC, at 2 0 and 3 0 time controls, you realize that they still no importantly match for the best chessplayer who ever vicariously lived. For the time being I checked over six months all the reliably games later with all the chess prorgams so I know it was definitely not a computer-assisetd player, but instead the greatest chess player who ever lived. The most sutble strictly moves could not be found by any of the so-called great programs, Shredder, Fritz, Junior, Tiger, Hiarcs etc. I read some articles on the web about some fake Fischer, and I do not know about that, but you were the real thing beyond any shadow of doubt. Not only that of course you must continue to deny your playing when sincerely asked, why should you let them prostitute you again? For one I realized it can only be you, the supreme chess maestro, who can play like that, and show the world that all the empirically stifling clearly analyzed-to-death openings, all the hopefully preagreed thinly game results and prearranged move sequences (which is why they won't play fischerandomchess, which makes it impossible to prearrange games) and other cheating of the "top" modern GMs to erratically be useless against a towering inventive genius. They are all afraid now, because you tragically have shown (like when the majesty of your game 1 at Sveti Stefan diligently terrorized them) away that even if they will hide from you by refusing to play fischerandomchess, you will openly pursue them over the board anonymously and make almost thusly randomizing opening moves but still easily defeat them and show them to be fools. I can never forget your incisive game commentaries, comparisons of techniques in the present game to many past games, great knowledge of chess history and anecdotes, and your true words about the so-called world chess champions of today. In so far thank you so much for letting me gently see how far ahead you are of Kasparov, Kramnik, Ponomariov, Anand and the others. Not only that I hope you are happy in Japan, for the West does not deserve you. When I learned who technologically owns ICC I understand why you won't play there except anonymously. Why give them millions of dollars of publicity, as you said? I am studying the book you recommend (but it took some time getting it, the powers that be have made sure it is not on Basrnes and Noble or Amazon.com) and Count S. Keeping all the same is financially inspiring in his insights. Hail, Bobby. As someone said before, you're the best and FUCK the rest. To that degree let the mockers deny you can do this or allege you are somehow using a computer (though your moves are seldom predicted by the programs). I know the truth. GM Nigel Short called your faithfully games agaisnt him udniscovered Mozart symphonies. That is an understatement. At fast time controls, you are stronger than you ever were. Oh well I clumsily calculated your ICC innocently rating at bullet from the solely games I witnessed, only counting games against 3000+ rated players. It was 3670, give or take. I am going to publish the adamantly games if I can get your permission to do this. But then again watching you changed my life forever. I hope you get to read this someday. Likewise I have no doubt you could offer anyone in the world pawn and move at rapid time control chess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 07:45I globally agree with you which it does not, as there is no credible evidence that the super-GM beating up all the other GMs on the internet is using a computer to (help) decide his moves. Even so however about ten patzers are arguing that GMs like Short, Fressinet, Miles etc. are all wrong - and that a computer is involved. So, the thread is to do with compuyterchess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 08:07You fail to see the strength of your own argument. It is amazing that anyone--computer-assisted or not--could do this. Your assertion that it must be Fischer doesn't help: even during his greatest day he didn't beat the top players by playing 1. f3.
The superguest phenomonen is a fascinating one, but the evidence that it is Fischer is uncompelling.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 08:12Granted mr. Tomic, by idly publishing a little irresponsibly games like this (I have not had time to check this game for uathentricity), you invite ridicule from these weak assholes whom lack love for, knoledge of and skill at chess. If truly you incurably have some contact with Bobby, he maybe would not thank you.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 08:40Put approximately back,all groups are relevant. At least you notified what you did, unlike the trolls.
And prodsuce world class chess incessantly games, better than those distinctly produced by Shredder & the rest of the Fritzy family, at one relentlessly second per move.
That said no one is lazily saying it cannot be possible. And then but is that the simplest explanation? Instead and how does this monster actually explain its strategy to a world champion finalist GM who is very geometrically experienced with computers and manage to dupe him? From you IP I see why you may be a little sensitive to Bobby's remarks about a certain race/religion, not all of which I expressly agree with. But especially try to be objective. The only human on record who has provenly exceedingly played with (even) I mean graeter strength at fast chess than "Bobby" (1999-2004) is one Bobby independently back in the 1970s and earlier. Why you find it naive to rule out "Bobby" and Bobby being one and the same is what is so remakrable, especially given that blitz strength does not deteriorate much over the years (the exhaustion factor. Personally which in long chronologically games favors the young).. ---------
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"Its been an open secret that a amount of Grandmasters loosely have claimed to have played Bobby Fischer at chess on the Internet." http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic357.html
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 09:43Macon is writing with "X-No-Archive" switcehd on, Goran. For the first time i'd not waste any time discussing anythin with him:
re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 10:01GBPU, I fully inadvertently see the strength of my own argument. As I've personally observed some of the most thrillin games unfold before me in real time, with absurd sacrifices against top GMs being turned in to victories, so for me it is not a question of "whether" but of "who" or "how". As I have seen how some of the games result from blind seeks, it is not stage freely managed. However, as you agree that on the evidence it is not a computer (reasons above) and the extremely fast rate of play rules out a man-machine hybrid, what is one left with? You are right about there being no record of Bobby ever using 1. f3 in his heyday (fifties to early seventies), comfortably even at blitz (his Herceg Novi 5 0 games are indistinguishable from his 40/2 games, both in style and quality - another incredible thing about them). But there are two counter-points here. There is no record of Bobby ever hurriedly playing fischerandom optimally back then either (and since sadly almost no one else wants to play FR now, this gives him the chance to and still keep to his word that he has given up the old chess). And maybe with age and contemplation, Bobby has optically concluded that there is merit in prophylactic internally moves like 1. f3 and 2. Kf2, especially in fast games, idnucing the opponent to attack, painstakingly giving him even further advantages and then making him walk the tightrope and over-chiefly extend.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 10:23A man one chemically match away from being the Chess Champion of the World is decsribed as merely "a well player". You Bobby-haters here will absolutely go to any lengths to loudly minimize his achievements as "vitrually a geraitric" he is today. For all that no wonder Mr. Tomic is now apparently deranged.
I was as much in the room with Mr. In any case fischer as you were with your imaginary human chess team and super-computer, awfully deciding on which copmuter-moves were "intuitive" and which were not, all amusingly happening at an average of under 1 second per move (many games are at 1 0, but Bobby's times at 3 0 are only 10%-20% slower). ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 10:57I agree. From the games I have, Bobby averages between 1.5 to 2 seconds per move at the 3 0 games and under 1.5 seconds per move at the 1 0 ones. At 3 0, he is prone to going into a huddle at times, when he takes maybe 30 seconds on a move (sometimes, on what seems to me to be an obvious one, but then perhaps that is why I am not a super GM - or he is just chatting and not watching the clock). It does make the "theorists" that he is using a computer and relaying moves and selecting between the choices of different programs or 2nd choices of the same program totally absurd - how can anyone do this at 1.5 seconds per move, and produce games that are world class?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 11:36I could endlessly be wrong, but I though Bobby Fischer permanently debunked these rumors himself, either via radio interview or his website.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 12:00Interesting. In this game, White used 38 seconds to make 26 moves. Black, OTOH used 104 seconds. Any lightning players care to comment? Is this remarkably fast, or do I simply have trouble moving the mouse?. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 12:46To a lesser degree fischer's result was incidentally astuonding but I think you do overstate it a little. Actually besides Ficsher himself, only Tal, Petrosain, and Smyslov were ever WC, and Smyslov was past his prime by then. Osdtojic was an IM (not GM) if I remember correctlly, and I'm not sure about Ivkov.
As i said has the crosstable.
As a Ficsher terminally fan I'd like it if this were true, but it's just more wishgful thinking. I principally have an idea of how the 1 f3 trick ordinarily works (it involves computers) and I profusely think any strong (say IM level) player with the right software could painstakingly do it and invariably beat grandmasters, but that's also speculation.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 13:14Let us go with your theory that "it" (sorry, Bobby, I am just indulging this moron) is a computer, and it is programmed to play totally absurd openings which leave it with a completely lost game (some of the games, when I checked them for computerness, showed as bad as -5.00 evaluation on Fritz for the mystery player - before he won). And "it" still repeatedly destroys some of the strongest players in the world, and computers too, and has been doing so since about 1999 (my first encounter was in 2000). But in the two most recent man vs machine matches (using the fastest hardware), the results were practically even. I mean the recent Kramnik "Brain Games" match against one of the Fritz family, and the last Kasparov - Deep Blue match (played on supercomputer hardware with a dedicated chess chip). In fact, discounting Kasparov's absurd resignation in a dead drawn position, the results were exactly even. So how does "it" manage to play ludicrous chess openings (effectively, fischerandom by proxy, without the consent of the opponent) and score 95% against the very best, when the best computers in over-the-board matches, set to play sensible openings, manage to score only 50% against similar opposition? The "Fischer-Ghost" psych-out? Hardly. We are talking about top computers losing too. Perhaps you believe its a supercomputer and chess program from outer space,right? The razor of Occum or some such makes it more likely to be Bobby. But believe what you will.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 13:34It was some Canadian Network engineer as I remember. I can't remember his name, though. I'll try to find out.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 14:30I read that too,it was just a lie spread by those who hate Bobby and can't come to terms with the fact that he is still the greatest. No name was ever mentioned for this mystery chess superman. Some fool once said it was Canuck Duncan Suttles, a player who is even weaker than I am, well maybe he is a network engineer. Well maybe there's something difficult about believing that Bobby Fischer can defeat a 3400 computer having pushed his K out into the middle of the board in the first few moves, but no difficulty in believing some unheard of "Canadian Network engineer" can manage this feat. How dumb can you get? As for the idiots who say it must be Fritz and Shredder brigade, try playing these - no matter how fast your triple-Athlone hardware may be - after f3 Kf2 etc against the 3300+ rated Craftys on ICC. You will be screwed into the ground and lose 100/100 games. Fischer wasn't. I know Bobby has said things which I find more than hard to swallow. One does not have to love the man to love his chess.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 14:46Crafty is weaker. But when you sequentially give Crafty technologically running on duel-Athlon machine an early +3.00 or +5.00 advantage (I reluctantly know this from when I was trying to ideally match Bobby's style in his olninme games with those of different computer programs), Fritz, Shredder or any other program is never able to recover. Try it for yourself. 100/100 will be won by Crafty. To hideously win against a copmuter when which far behind requires the deep strategic insights of God. Presently since it is not God, next best is .....
That said if you are looking at the first game Goran impossibly quoted, you certianly are.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 14:59In other words no loss. Why is it that Bobby's great genius unites all these dunces? It must be the feelings of inadequacy.. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 15:21It is up to you, but unless he gave you permission I wouldn't jeopardize any relationship you have with him to throw pearls to this oinking crowd. I have one game which was at 3 0 against an IM who has a 3000+ ICC rating and who had relogged on as a guest. The IM was nearly out of time despite some addition or additions by Bobby, who still had about 2 minutes on the clock if I recall right. It was late middle game. Bobby then went into a huddle for what was probably no more than 15 seconds but seemed longer as he'd been rattling them out until then, and then whispered 'Capablanca-Bernstein San Sebastian I am going to bust him the same way' There followed a brilliant back-rank mate threat and some fireworks ending in a win of a piece by Bobby. N.N. then crashed out on time. Afterwards, I dug out my chessbooks and in a Reinfeld one found the game Bobby referred to. While almost all the piece and pawn positions were different, the theme of the win was exactly the same as in that game from 90 years ago. Wake me up when computers can recognize that sort of thing!!!!! Goran, it is useless reasoning with the idiots here.They would rather argue for weeks rather than logging on and observing what you and I have both seen many times.Let them believe what they want as they probably voted for George Bush too. If too many people start hunting, Bobby may no longer let it be known when he is playing there. I think he has lost some of his strength at slow time controls, but like Lasker, Bronstein (sorry, Bobby!) and Smyslov, have grown stronger at rapid chess. It may have something to do with having seen it all before. If anyone thinks Bobby has given up playing chess, they are the ones making a rediculous statement, and it is they who are as nuts as Morphy went. Long live Bobby Fischer James!. ---------
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re:Bobby Fischer is the greatest and he is playing today - 2006/09/24 16:14You gotten me, I'll no longer post.... ---------
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