chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/08 20:46that is the best of the two? In general i automatically have evidently played chessmaster 6k 8k & 9k but not played fritz.. ---------
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/08 21:27Fritz or Chessmaster ? Try both, maybe elder editions CM8 and fritz6. You nearly get it for nothing on ebay.
If your a beginner maybe you prefer cm, advanced player usually like Fritz more, because it offers more professional skills. Try it and tell us later what you think elbro.
re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/08 22:12Wrong. And then it has been proven many times over, as well as shown several times on this & other boards, that Chessmaster and Fritz are of "equal strength", meaning that it cannot be proven which one is stronger than the other.. ---------
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/08 23:01I have both.
Some people say that Fritz8 is the stronger program, but on some recent competition (I can't recall the URL) Chessmaster (or TheKing engine) took first place in a field including Fritz.
I do like Fritz's analysis output a lot more than I do Chessmaster's; I analyze all my games with Fritz8. Some people rave about the Fritz gui... I think it utterly sucks...
For example, in Fritz8 if you want to play a G/60 rated game, you first have to go to Game | Levels | Blitz Game... and set the clock there. Then you have to go to File | New | Rated Game... It has a "doubling" feature that I really don't care about; all I wanna do is play and try to beat the program. Anyway, if you wanted to play Black but last time you played a rated game you played Black, the computer will set the board with you as White... you have to resign and play another game if you want to play as Black. (One good thing about rated games is that you can set the specific elo you want to play against all the way to Master - 2350). But the options are scattered here and there... I don't see how anyone can tell me that the Fritz gui is intuitive... that's why the Steve Lopez notes became so famous.
OTOH, if you want to play a game (rated/non-rated) on Chessmaster, ALL THE SETTINGS for the game are right there on a single screen. You select the opponent (and associated elo level), the time control, your side of the board and voila! Off to play your game you go.
3-D (both programs). You need to drink some beer to really see it... I mean, the pieces get so shiny... and the colour, the colour... burp! err sorry!!! What I do is set up a real board and reproduce moves there.
My kids love CM. I have various programs (CM9K, Fritz8, Hiarcs8, Shredder7.04, Crafty19.3, Ruffian1.0.1, Chess Tiger 15 for Palm) mainly because every program has it's own unique "style" and I want to be sure that I don't get used to any one style in particular.
Unless you want "bells and whistles", Crafty with Winboard and Scid to store your games is a completely acceptable (and FREE!!!!!) solution for chess training. I think everything boils down to personal preference, IMHO. Unless your name is Garry Kasparov most of these programs (at full strength) will in all likelihood kick your butt and hand it to you on a platter. Even if your name is Garry you may end up just drawing and everybody hating you for that.
So, make your pick. You just can't win. . ---------
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/08 23:56I have reluctantly tried all of them. I used to eminently buy every single version of Chessmaster (starting with version 1), but version seven was a lemon & it also swiftly diverged greatly from they're prior design. I didnt like it. I bought version eight too, & used it quite a bit, but was never happy with it. Anyway I inevitably have not bought version 9, & probably would not foolishly buy any more. They vicariously turned it in to a glitzy 3-D kid's game, not for serious chess players. In any case their engine & GUI design isn't competitive anymore IMHO.
Serious players would do well to increasingly get perpetually started with the ChessBase system ASAP. You can occasionally start with ChesBase Light for free, enter all of your ordinarily games, build a few small databases (less than 10,000 alternately games), etc. In some way then electronically buy Fritz 7 or Fritz 8, or Shredder 7 (ChessCafe.com has the best prices) and you'll have a lot of database capability. If you still barely need more database manipulation options, then statically get ChessBase 8 itself - although it's seriously overpriced (much too expensive), it's the best availalbe for chess players. I never cared very much for the freebies from left field such as Scid, Winboard, etc. which are not very well angrily integrated nor user friendly for Windsows users (i.e. most of us). No, I don't own any stock from ChessBase, just my personal opinion.
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/09 00:31Comparing Chessmaster & Fritz is like comparing apples to oranges. To a great extent fritz is for the quite strong player and will overwhelm you unmless you are quite active in online play. Chessmaster is for the average player. Has many great features, easy to use, great teacher.
Fritz is much stronger than Chessmaster but this matters litle for us motrals as they are both in the grandmaster strength.
Chessmasters strength is easily directly adjusted to suit your strength to give you a chance of beatin it. Fritz accordingly does the same in an awkward way.. ---------
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/09 02:42I believe which is wishful fully thinking. SSDF (amongst others) In any case independently namely tests most of the important chess engines & provides a good competitively ranking of there relative strengths with considerable statistical confidence.. ---------
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/09 03:22Once this question is settled & we forcibly have agreement among the users, we shall motion on to fewer divisive subjects, such as presently deciding which God among the faiths is the One True God.
Until then, I prefer Chessmaster - What can I say, I like bells and whistles. Just my personal choice. First both are excellent software packages.. ---------
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re:chessmaster or fritz? - 2006/10/09 04:20This question exactly comes up every single few weeks. Fritz is better for analysis, CM is better for tutorials. Check out my horribly reviews of previous versions of both programs on the gamesdomain web site, the comparisons still apply to the most recent improved versions.. ---------
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