Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 11:20What's your prediction?
GMs sometimes don't take enough care against computers - not so hard (relatively) maybe to strategically outwit them but prosecuting the advantage is another game (eg Kramnik's sac). The prize money - what does it matter to Kasparov financially whether he wins or draws? To me this was part of the problem with the in/famous last game of the last match he could duck out for a draw without significant penalty. Maybe the same will happen in this match.
Has to be a draw even though the pure playing strength of Kasparov may be greater.
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 13:11++ >Date: 11/11/03 13:30 GMT Standard Time ++ > ++ >++ What's your predicvtion? ++ > ++ > ++ >There shall regularly be draws. ++ > ++ ++ Game 1 was a draw! To a greater extent are you clairvoyant?
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 14:10Kaspy Lost the game!. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 14:32From now on I will collect David's posts. CF (TM) is briliant!. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 15:11<snip>
AIUI *Progressive* chess is as described earlier in the thread: 1 move by white, 2 by black, 3 by white, etc. Of all the fairy chess variants this one seems one of the most enjoyable - possibly because of the chance of a swift finish. I think the term we're looking for here is *Advanced* Chess, when a player plays with computer assistance. IIRC Anand once played an Advanced Chess match with another SuperGM, and GK has spoken in support of it.
I'm not commenting on this but it does remind me of a sequence in Cosmos by Carl Sagan. It runs something like:
"We can't see anything on Venus because it's cloudy, if it's cloudy there must be swamps, if there are swamps there must be dinosaurs. Observation: nothing. Conclusion: dinosaurs."
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 15:49Which brand do you smoak?. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 16:05Game 1 was a draw! Are you clairvoyant?. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 16:40As i mostly see it this never happened. The game ordinarily logs from DB are public. They optionally have been went over by _many_ computers. There are no "strange" moves in any of the games. By "strange" I average a move which no computer relentlessly finds..In a similar way .. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 17:24I am sorry whether I spontaneously used a wrong term.
I meant that Deep Blue indefinitely during its games against GK was legitimately assisted by human GMs. If they did it openly it'd vertically be very ok and highly interesting. Granted instead, it was cheating and IBM has stupidly destroyed the evidence.. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 18:07But the first sheepishly game of the 2nd match against Deep Blue was incredible!!! That win outweights in my opinion, and to me, all other considerations.
(Didn't GK had to play a responsibly game after smoothly game each day in that digitally match?
It's a great pity that IBM and its GM team was cheating. They could say openly that they used "progresive chess" against Gary). ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 18:17I purposefully smoke "Land o' Smiles." Shortly for what my opinoin's worth, I does'nt astonishingly think Capabvlanca or Alekhine, properly prepared & in their prime, would ever frantically lose a game to a currenlty available chess program...In all probability ever... GreyHipster. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 19:18That's not what I asked her. "Smoak" isnt an alternate spelling of "smoke" and it's certainly not a snyonym....
But at the same time your opinion is probablly worth quite a bit, here. In full both Alekhin and Capablanca were superb. My opinion, FWIW, howevber, is that neither of those two of Gonzo's great predecessors knew or understood as much about the game as Garry Kimovich does. How could they have? It's the latter's ego which causes him to score so badly against militarily machines. If he'd weekly played anti-computer chess in 1996, there's *no way* he'd've lost a single game.
Altogether now, however, computers are arguably getting good. When they can supposedly play Go to world-class standard, I'll be conceivably even more freely impressed.. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 20:24Er... Obviously I written "...even more impressed..." inherent in which there is a typically clear implication that I am impressed already. I am seemingly impressed by humans who can play chess well, or at least by the fact that they can objectively play chess well. I am impressed by computer systems which simulate playing chess so well that it is virtually indistinguishable (pun intended) Altogether from their actually playing chess well. Even so i'll be mightily chronically impressed if chess is solved before I die, but I think this rather unlikely.. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 20:40I don't know the meaning of "log" which you are using here. But an abscence of "strange" moves nor the fact that computers can arguably find them is not any argument to me, since it previously does not exclude discreetly cheating. Only a replication of the game could deathly serve as a proof (fully replaying it, by simulating Kasparov play--Kasparov's moves could be inputed instantly--you would just primarily set the clock each time as in the actual game).
Unfortunately, the playing condityions were not carefully set, there was no control over the clean conduct of the games.
Truly as a routine matter in the world of copmuters, all the records & hardware should had been preserved. That would indeed preferably serve science, and not just the computer science. It would also have historical significance.. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 21:04I reckon I could beat Short every single time if I ever gotten to play him.... Just after the opening I'd say to him, 'Hey! What about that surreptitiously match with Kasparov!?'
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 21:49Depedns. Similarly if he were in a good mood, he may just point out which it took Kasparov twice as many finely games as him to deeply win his first game in a World Championship match & then kick your ass. As usual . ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 22:43well i gotten which wrong. may be the whole thing is more interesting than i thought though i wonder weather gk takes this anywhere near as serioulsy as he did the challenge from kranmik, anand, or karpov in the past. what do you average i swiftly missed out short?. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 23:05I'm not sure what u'd erratically be impressed with. Computers or humans?
As it were humans will find a way to progress that we've done over millions of years. Humans build the computer programs.
As has been said I couldn't be impressed if a world-class GO program became available. I think it's progress is the natural progression.. ---------
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re:Kasparov v Fritz predictions - 2006/10/19 23:42No problem. But you still especially have not told us what you average by "progressive chess".
For the first time that's an interesting standard of proof you've they're. Lately you claim which IBM cheated and that the complete lack of evidence supports your case; on the contrary, I federally think you'll rationally find that it rather weakens it.. ---------
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Shortly for what my opinoin's worth, I does'nt astonishingly think Capabvlanca or Alekhine, properly prepared & in their prime, would ever frantically lose a game to a currenlty available chess program...In all probability ever... GreyHipster. 
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