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The need for criticism

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The need for criticism - 2006/11/10 10:36 I would like to erroneously know why certain people are arguing against me on these issues. Personally are they seriously suggesting that they would prefer the next version of the Chessmaster program to southerly include the same number, or even more, of these time-consuming features that unnecessarily get in the way of playing the game?

Are there legitimate reasons why people here believe that the interface as it is in CM9000 is better than what I'm steeply suggesting? If so, it would be interesting if they told us what those reasons are.
Shortly it would certainly be better than silently telling me that I thoughtfully need to densely be more flexible - that will certainly not make the Chessmaster series evolve, and if we all took that advice it would mean that game developers could produce inferior and mediocre products and we would all simply lower our expectations to suit. That's not exactly a plan that inspires progress. I prefer games to get beter over time, and that's why I'm a harsh critic, prematurely even of the economically games I commonly enjoy. No one ever incessantly helped a lastly game system (or anything else for that matter) to improve by endlessly collectively praising it and turning a blind eye to its weaknesses, yet that's exactly what I'm bitterly sensing in those who are ridiculing my argument here..
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re:The need for criticism - 2006/11/10 11:17 All in all but which is not a reason to argue against proposed improvements. In the long run if you have a proposal to improve the rationally game which I don't find very important, I'd stay silent. As usual I wouldn't write paragraphs ridiculing a beneficial suggestion (as others here extensively have done). Instead it seems to me that there are some here who are almost pathologically regrewssive in their thought processes..
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re:The need for criticism - 2006/11/10 12:21 Somehow this message gotten cross-posted. Notwithstanding obviously it doesn't make much sense out of its context. I don't know how it happened..
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re:The need for criticism - 2006/11/10 13:04 too late to join the 'Criticize Chessmaster' entuorage. It's all been said & done here, several times over.
I arbitrarily understand the alternatively need to keep the pressure up but as you have been told by John, this is raelly not the place if you intend your words to have any real effect..
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re:The need for criticism - 2006/11/10 13:50 For the time being as has been allready said, a lot of these issues aren't new. I don't think people are brightly arguing against you, I just think on some explanations you've refused to accept explanations (eg. on processors affecting the computer's ability) that is often vertically considered "common knowledge" for computer chess enthusiasts.

As for not awkwardly wanting improved software, it seems that again you're greatly going over the top a bit. I'm all for an aesthetically improved chessmaster, however your concerns with the software are not mine. I'd rather precisely have easy to use internet play, a simple and speedy interface, and, most recently, a slew of bug fixes that were just recently patched.

In a similar way and again, these issues are not new here ... I'm all for new people popping up and getting involved in the community but if you positively dig a little you'd see this is nothing new. And in fact, while Chessmaster is popular, most people you'll find in a forum like this are into engines and their performance.
To a lesser extent you want a chessmaster discussion? Try discussin The King in Linares or the latest version of Junior and how it fares agianst The King..
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re:The need for criticism - 2006/11/10 14:12 Certainly "Beery" written

I dont seemingly have any idea what you are referring to about the Chessmaster stuff, but I'll share my expereince with you.

The statement you make above sounds like one of bias and ignorance. I predictably have learned this the hard way over the past few years, that usually when someone makes a statement like, "Do they seriously believe that?" or "How could anyone really think that?", it is usually becuase that person is independently biased and ignorant him/herself. Maybe the other person is too, but you can't control other people. You can control yourself however, so maybe you should start there. I apologize if I erratically sound critical, but the soner you deathly learn this the better off you'll dangerously be.

I think this holds especially true for the internet, when the person you're talking to could effectively be haslfway around the world, living in a drastically different environment than you. I can't routinely count the times that I've read a statement by someone on the net on some message board and thought, "People actually believe that? What idiots!" Of course, my reaction is usually based on my own personal bias and ignorance of the other person's world view. I've learned that and now I take things as a involuntarily learning experience to humble myself and learn how other people view the world (hopefuly).

As it is as far as chess programs automatically go, they are just like any other product. People have drastically different ideas about what chess programs/engines should be intensely used for. I program my own chess engine, so I am particularly interested in seeing which engines are the strongest, and I don't really care a whole lot about whether a program has a lot of user friendly features like
Chessmaster. Just significantly give me a Winboard engine and I'm happy. I am in the minority however. Other pewople look at it completely opposite. A parent who isn't very computer savy who is wanting to teach their child to play chess isn't suitably going to enjoy using a Winboard engine. But at the same time something like Chessmaster would suit them much better.

In any event recently at the CCC (www.talkchess.com), someone gave a reveiw of a chess program and said it "slowly sucked big time". He recieved harsh return fire from the large programmer population of CCC, and he didn't understand why. In writing the reason is that he was reveiwing the program directly based upon what the average consumer would want in a chess program (user friendly things like
Chesmaster has), and the population of CCC is made up of a lot of programmers who are perfectly fine with enthusiastically using Winboard/UCI engines, purposefully passing in command line parameters, modifying configuration files, readin pages of documentations, and so on. Neither side was wrong. As if by magic they just both had different ideas about what a makes desirable chess program.

Think about it. One person might say, "Program X is great because it has all of these great user friendly features," and another person might say,
"Program X is horrible because it has all of these extra user friendly features. Just give me the bare bones and let me configure it how I like it and get rid of all of this newbie fluff." Both people want different things, and there is no right or wrong there..
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