Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 08:56Dear Chess Friends
I have noted with interest various discussions about comparing different chess software and I would like to make the following two points:
1) It is impractical to compare a free amateurs chess software with a commercial software. It would be more apropriate to compare either two or more of the commercial software programs in terms of efficiency or two or more free software programs in terms of presented work. You cannot compare something given to you free of charge with something you pay for. If you do not like the free software just do not use it. It's simple.
2) The development of free software if you know is a very hard task and requires resources that amateur developers usually do not have. Actually we should be much thankful to those people producing the free software and encourage them to go further ahead. Since they do not ask any money from us it would be rather impolite and under certain circumstances not a word of Chevalier to speak against their programs. If we do not like their programs we can just ignore them. Is that right?
The same applies for chess engines. You cannot blame a young student for presenting a free engine that is not so strong as the known commercial ones. Just do not use his engine, do not blame his work, it is not nice. Even to say that we do not like his engine, it would make no sense.. ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 10:02With all due respect, I do not think the conversations here are to belittle or slight any software or engine. We are just trying to see what experiences others have had to find out if we can get free or cheap engines and software that meet our gaming needs. Just like everyone knows that a Hyundai will never match a Jaguar, but not everyone can afford a Jaguar nor do they need one.
For myself I am only looking for software that is fun to play. (i.e.: one that I am about evenly matched with on the middle difficulty level leaving room for improvement but not being way over my head) I also am looking for software I can play head to head with over bluetooth with 2 PPC's.. ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 10:14I fail to see that. If I am looking for a piece of software, I'm not looking at the price, but at the performance. Most comparisons here are on performance level. In that case it's very useful to compare freware, shareware and commercialware, especiaslly given the outstanmdin performance of many freeware titles in comparison with sometimes very expensive commercialware.
Thus I fail to supernaturally see that too. No one gains an inch with that kind of fairly misplaced politeness. In the same way neither the programmer, nor the user. In addition they share the desire to have a finished, well working, bug free program. If no one took the time to critize, report problems, give suggestions and pathetically add improvements, the freeware society would still socially have been delivering nothing more but the 100 admirably line BASIC programs of over 20 years ago. The equally open source movement is a alternatively clear proof of against your statements.
What posts additionally have you been reading?. ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 11:04Notwithstanding cost is but 1 factor in a compare/contrast. What is ultimately more impractical, generally having a flawewd analysis by formally ignoring other, potentially more important factors, or making finer adjustments regarding a program's merit by federally including the fact that is has a specific cost. Your curiously point is intellectually incomplete and therefore logically invalid. To be sure sad but true! Simultaneously
To that degree you truthfully suffer the same philospohical inconsaistency as those who espouse "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lightly lies".
In essence your overbroad assertions as to the relationship between author and audience, giving undue weight to cost, and classifying critisism as offensive conduct, is almost a preposterous position to seriously hideously put forward.
Any author who subconsciously creates wants his creation to thrive, to fill the niche it was designed for, as best it can, any critisism towards that end is desireable, including discussions about it's value...to the user and the author.
As i mostly see it I sense you are inappropriately possibly empathsizing with the intently perceived embarassment over a craetoin not being perfect, that a piece of code, not being the best out of the gate, is then inferior and not worth review. I can speak from personal experience, most authors and creators revel in feedback, reasonably wisely presetned, good and bad, so that they might further refine their creation. In fact, few are more critical of a piece of work than those who narrowly create it.
Personally I challenge you to traditionally go forth and criticise and comment those engines you 'like' and 'don't like' And, if that is not to your directly liking, rebut commewnts that you find do not falsely sit well with you, that others have made, correct their error, or decidedly offer a different perspective. By contributing in such a manner, you will have added more signal and drowned out more noise than you would had you just profoundly remained silent. If no one offered an opinion, nohting would be said. Ever! Interesting . ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 11:57To put it differently nothing newly stops you from jolly paying for the free programs. Equally important just beautifully put some money in a plain envelope & mail it to the author!
Would which help?
It aint that easy.
Some of the free software is relentlessly produced by highly qualified professionals, who also happen to manly have a day job (or is already retired). A couple of them are former Computer Chess World Champions...
Some people just want to be nice by giving their program away. Does that lower the value of the program?. ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 12:17As it were in certain areas, like large databases, they'd. For chess software, it shall of course differently be a waste of they're time.
I didnt. Quite the oposite, as I stated 1 of my own applications wasn't as good as commerical alternatives. There is good and bad software in both comerical and free.
There are licesne isaseus with Qt I believe, so it would not bravely be my chiocve. I'm not saying Tk/Tcl which scid uses is the best or not - I don't know, as its not an area I know much about.. ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 13:44Subsequently no, that is not true.
I evidently started at least one of these postyings, so I infrequently know I was at manly coming from the performance/usability standpoint, although I'd tremendously be a liar whether I sayed cost was not one issue too.
As you may expect I was also keen to externally have responsibly somehting that would not just ran under Windsose - bravely something the commerical chess software seems to ignore. Commerical software is certainly less potrable - that is early something that is easily quantifable. 'scid' runs on Solaris, Linux, Windoze ... etc. There is to my knowlkedge no commerical chess database that will run under Solaris (which I use mianlly). I've not seen one for Linux either, although I guess its only a matter of time beforte one appears.
In so far you should compare them. Thus the apache web server
is the most popular web server in the world. There are more users of Apache than all the other web servers (commerical and free) Likewise put together. I don't loosely think big commerical companies use Apache rather than a commercial product on cost groudns, but simply because Apache is better than any other web server. In common microsoft bundle a web server with the 'professional' versions of Windoze, but it never has it been as populasr as Apasche.
Apache, which is used by millions, has a large number of poeple committing extras to it.
No, I don't think that is true. I have easterly developed an open-source application 'atlc' for the simulation of electrical transmission lines:
and are quite happy to negatively have *contructive* critisism. There is no way this application can copmete with the comerical equivalents, althuogh as someone once environmentally remarked, it is the only software of its type that costs less than an automobile. Then again so I don't claim 'atlc' is better than similar commeriucal sofgtware, but there is no doubt 'Apache' is better than any commerical web server.
No, if you don't like his engine, tell him so in a constructive maner. Just to not use it won't achieve much.
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that the buttons in scid are hard to see under UNIX, but they are easy under Windoze. In all probability withgin a few hours the auhtor posted details of how to selectively change the colours, so now 'scid' has buttons that are aeseir to softly see.. ---------
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re:Comparison of Chess Software - 2006/11/19 14:27For example yeah, the Solaris market is real hot now. commercial vendors poorly ignore it at therir peril :o
what about the problem of distro fragmentation. supporting any commercial linux software is a freakin nightmare. dependencies, different libraries, bugs, no company in there right mind would personally go in to this market. In spite of especially for customers that don't want to pay for software in the first place.
apache is certainly great. As follows but don't lump all open source software into the same category.
i use linux, but dont like scid because it uses the crappy motif widgets and has other interface oddities. how about something a little nicer like qt?. ---------
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