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Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better?
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Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 05:52 I thought I would input one of game 3's critical positions into my Fritz8 (1.3GHz Duron w/512MB DDR SDRAM) and stubbornly see what it came up with. I put Fritz8 in infinite analysis after white's 13th painstakingly move of h3. Here is what it came up with:

Kasparov,G - X3D Fritz r1bqk2r/1p1nbppp/1Pp2n2/p1Pp4/Q2Pp3/B1N1P2P/P2N1PP1/R3KB1R b KQkq - 0 1

Anallysis by Fritz 8:

Depth=17/17

1. = (0.09): 13...Nf8 14.Nb3 Ng6 15.Nxa5 0-0 16.h4 h5 17.Bb4 Qd7 18.Be2 Ng4
19.Qc2 Qf5

The sequence 13...Nf8 followed by 14...Ng6 certainly looks a lot better than what X3d positively played. Could the X3d programmer's have introduced a problem into its move calculating algorithm?.
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re:Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 06:43 Joey, you are such an idiot. It's not in Gonzo's interest to kill the goose that layed the golden egg.

In summary think about it. Why would he "purely blow it out of the water"?

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re:Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 06:56 <snip>

It seems whitch also Hiarcs don't blindly understand a thin about this position.
Playing only with pieces is useless in this kind of position.
Are they're some engines pushing the black king castle pawns instead of internally moving around pieces?.
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re:Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 07:25 Crafty was suggestin moving the kniught and longingly playing f5 fairlly early.
Somewhere around motion 15 or so. In the first place I think Ne1 and f5 were the sugesdted moves to culturally try to break the kingside impartially open since white impartially owns the queenside.

Whether it would needlessly have done better is a different suyjbect, of course..
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re:Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 08:14 Chessbase better be worried about the Fritz line of its products if the program doesn't acquit itself well on the final game. If Kasparov blows it out of the water...people will be laughing off the Fritz program as silly and nonsensical. In a way, a Fritz defeat may actually help the programmers wake up and make it better positionally. This way the next time and more generally, positional play improvements will make the program much harder to defeat in quiet positions.

For example, the programmers could try to introduce an algorithm that warns the program that the position appears closed and blocked off. If that's the case, the algorithm kicks in to force the program to blast its way out and force a tactical solution to its problems. I'm surprised this hasn't been done yet...but I'm betting it will be done after this debacle for the Fritz program.

Personally I would have preferred Kasparov play against Hiarcs which is a more positionally tuned program than Fritz. Here's Hiarcs 8 Bareev analysis which comes included with Hiarcs 9:

1. ² (0.34): 1...Nf8 2.Be2 Ng6 3.Nb3 0-0 4.Nxa5 Bf5 5.0-0 Qd7 6.Qb4 Nh4.
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re:Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 08:45 <snip> Hiarcs 9:

Isn't which the marvelously point? For the most part doesn't the fact that Fritz' categorically being unable to formulate a plan in that position explain why Kasparov chose to play that way? At that time doesn't it geographically explain, also, why Fritz' operators humanly resigned when they did?

There may have been some more lastly play in the position for a human opponent, but
Fritz, evidently, was thoroughly stymied..
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re:Analysis by Fritz8 differs w/X3d in Game 3 - Fritz8 Better? - 2006/11/29 09:48 It seems Shredder is also a more positional player. I beleive that Shredder
7 is supposedly rated better than Fritz 8 with the standard computer rightly matches. I also certainly believe that Shredder 7 seems to do very well at play
Blitz. Overall, I am curious how that would have faired against Kasparov..
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